The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

[Abiding Now]

The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

We teach there is one God manifest in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Spirit. Hence, the name, Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.

The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word “one” relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7 clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration. In other words, the water saves. This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

We teach and preach that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience subsequent to Salvation. However, while we cherish the Baptism with the Spirit, we must reject the insistence of the Jesus Only people that the experience is necessary for Salvation. We believe that the Baptism with the Spirit is a part of our Salvation, but so is Divine healing: and while this is a great blessing, it cannot be labeled as a requisite for Salvation itself. There is a difference between that which we must do in order to be saved and those blessings that come to us because we are saved.

For more information you may call or write and request the booklet, “The Error Of The Jesus Only Doctrine” (10-028).

http://www.jsm.org/faq.html#q3

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

We teach there is one God manifest in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Spirit. Hence, the name, Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.

The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word “one” relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7 clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Context tells us whether "one" is meant "One in number" or just "One in unity".

However the fallacy here is that the Trinity is supposed to teach God is numerically One..One Being and not Three Beings. Yet the Trinitarian seemingly argues against that notion by making "One" merely a Unity and many Trinitarians take that to it's furthest logical conclusion to argue it simply means a Unity of wills or a unity of agreement and not One numerical being.

Second in Greek it's not always just context but grammar. The Greek word for One has three genders. Hen (Neuter), Heis (Masculine) and Mia (Feminine).

Hen is the word most often used to mean a Unity but does not tell us what sort of Unity or what is being unified or how.

Heis is the word most often used to mean one in number and is used by Jesus when he quotes the Shema. Hear o Israel, The Lord (Yhwh) our God (Theos, singular), the Lord is One (Heis).

Notice also the singular THEOS and the singular verb "is"?

The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration.

That is nothing to do with "Jesus Only" or the Theology you claimed we believe. Second it's not true that all Oneness people believe this and third, Historically your church, the Trinitarian church, has believed in Baptismal Regeneration right on up to Martin Luther

In other words, the water saves.

I don't know of any OP that believes it's the water that saves us. Rather it's our faith in Him (Jesus) when we are baptised

This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

Again this is a loaded statement as not every OP makes such a claim. BTW this fellow probably believes JWs and Oneness and Muslims and Mormons and who knows who else are all lost and will burn in hell eternally too.

We teach and preach that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience subsequent to Salvation. However, while we cherish the Baptism with the Spirit, we must reject the insistence of the Jesus Only people that the experience is necessary for Salvation.

Reject that as you will, but this was supposed to be about the ERRORS of the Jesus only Doctrine (a title I reject) and I see nothing here by way of supporting such a claim. Merely stating what you believe or they believe does not prove it is error

We believe that the Baptism with the Spirit is a part of our Salvation, but so is Divine healing: and while this is a great blessing, it cannot be labeled as a requisite for Salvation itself. There is a difference between that which we must do in order to be saved and those blessings that come to us because we are saved.

Again merely telling people what YOU believe is not proving someone else is in error

For more information you may call or write and request the booklet, “The Error Of The Jesus Only Doctrine” (10-028).

http://www.jsm.org/faq.html#q3

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[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration. In other words, the water saves. This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Again this is a loaded statement as not every OP makes such a claim. BTW this fellow probably believes JWs and Oneness and Muslims and Mormons and who knows who else are all lost and will burn in hell eternally too.

Praxeas,
Being raised Oneness and attending various Oneness Churches throughout my adult life, I can honestly tell you that this is what the VAST MAJORITY of Oneness Pentecostal Preachers, Teachers and Pastors declare is the truth.

Don't try to paint Oneness Pentecostals as a group of doctrinally welcoming people. They aren't.

Give me the name of one Apostolic Pentecostal Pastor today in the UPCI, PAW or any other Oneness organization who will preach that one can be baptized in the titles "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" and still be "in the truth", "saved", or whatever word or phrase that implies a sense of equal ground in faith and salvation as the rest of the Oneness microcasm.

[Jermyn Davidson]

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

Are you still at Apopka?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Are you still at Apopka?

No.

[Jermyn Davidson]

There were people that wanted to divide based on baptism in the Apostle Paul's day. He called them carnal.

There were people that were offended and many things that other Christian believers allowed. The Apostle Paul called them weak.

The difference between the Apostle Paul's theology and Oneness Pentecostal theology is that Paul was at least willing to refer to the carnal and weak as brothers in Christ.

While Oneness Pentecostal theology makes it just about impossible for anyone else to be saved and be known and respected as a brother unless they believe and do exactly as the Oneness Pentecostals believe and do.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

What theology is erroneous? If all of Christendom refuses to believe in the doctrine of Christ he certainly has the right to reject them. What dream led to chaos and confusion? If you mean that JESUS is the NAME meant in Matt. 28:19 then you must be the one confused.

Rather it turned contradiction into revelation and chaos into order.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What theology is erroneous? If all of Christendom refuses to believe in the doctrine of Christ he certainly has the right to reject them. What dream led to chaos and confusion? If you mean that JESUS is the NAME meant in Matt. 28:19 then you must be the one confused.

Rather it turned contradiction into revelation and chaos into order.

No it didn't.
That man brought confusion, heart ache, and division.

Maybe he was doing the will of God, but I won't tread to far down that path-- out of respect, and honestly, a little holy fear too.

After all, there wouldn't have been a Calvary without a Judas.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

Interesting. Who was the "guy"? J/W