Interesting Trinitarian Statement - trithestic?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I believe the believer must call on the name of Jesus prior to or at the moment of baptism... The one doing the dipping can preach a sermon or say nothing at all. If the prerequisite is met then the candidate is baptised in Jesus Name.

Does the person have call on the name on the same day?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Does the person have call on the name on the same day?

Ideally I would say yes!

a.) The first act of a new believer is to be baptised

b.) A new believer should be calling on His name several times a day

c.) Any ceremony and especially baptism, should have an invocation where those present should call on God through Jesus Christ.

[The Closer]

LOL

[SDG]

Originally Posted by The Closer

LOL

Did I miss the punchline????

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I was going through some files today, cleaning out my desk and happened upon this article from Robert M. Bowman Jr. Many of you are probably familiar with him as he is/was part of the CRI, that I think Walter Martin was a part of. As I perused the article, I read the statement below. The article is an outline of "The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity."




"Over 7000 times God speaks or is spoken of with singular pronouns (I, He, etc.); but this is proper because God is a single individual being; thus these singular forms do not disprove that God exists as three "persons" as long as these persons are NOT separate beings."




I know that many trinitarians are confused, but I thought that this was a very interesting statement.

Yes, it's worth noting that most trinitarians today are unclear about the term "persons" as it is used in the trinity doctrine. It does not mean something synonymous with "beings" as the word "persons" is used in English today.

For more about this: http://www.amazon.com/God-Three-What...2269101&sr=8-1

[Nahum]

Dishonesty in debate serves no one.

Does anyone here deny that trinitarian dogma defines God as "One God in three persons, coequal, coexistent, and coeternal"?

It is a tenant of their faith. Come on folks. Let's be real here.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Dishonesty in debate serves no one.

Does anyone here deny that trinitarian dogma defines God as "One God in three persons, coequal, coexistent, and coeternal"?

It is a tenant of their faith. Come on folks. Let's be real here.

YOU JUMP TO QUICKLY! and that is not an attractive trait.... I never said I disagreed with the term, or that the term was going to be thrown out... I said it is a qualified term!!!!!!! I supported that with an article

I take no issue with the term PERSONS...in the proper context....

oneness have their terms as well.... anyone want to define what "holiness" means to your typical apostolic? If she does not follow holiness it means she does not follow the standards

same with persons it is a qualified term

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

YOU JUMP TO QUICKLY! and that is not an attractive trait.... I never said I disagreed with the term, or that the term was going to be thrown out... I said it is a qualified term!!!!!!! I supported that with an article

I take no issue with the term PERSONS...in the proper context....

oneness have their terms as well.... anyone want to define what "holiness" means to your typical apostolic? If she does not follow holiness it means she does not follow the standards

same with persons it is a qualified term

It is not attractive to deny what trinitarianism actually is. How can we even debate when you deny that they mean what they say? If a word has no meaning, why use it?

They absolutely believe that "persons" means distinct individuals. Did you read what I posted from the AOG website?

[Nahum]

From the AOG website statement of faith:

The One True God
The one true God has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind. He has further revealed Himself as embodying the principles of relationship and association as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Adorable Godhead

a. Terms Defined
The terms "Trinity" and "persons" as related to the Godhead, while not found in the Scriptures, are words in harmony with Scripture, whereby we may convey to others our immediate understanding of the doctrine of Christ respecting the Being of God, as distinguished from "gods many and lords many." We therefore may speak with propriety of the Lord our God who is One Lord, as a trinity or as one Being of three persons, and still be absolutely scriptural.

b. Distinction and Relationship in the Godhead
Christ taught a distinction of Persons in the Godhead which He expressed in specific terms of relationship, as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but that this distinction and relationship, as to its mode is inscrutable and incomprehensible, because unexplained.


c. Unity of the One Being of Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Accordingly, therefore, there is that in the Father which constitutes him the Father and not the Son; there is that in the Son which constitutes Him the Son and not the Father; and there is that in the Holy Spirit which constitutes Him the Holy Spirit and not either the Father or the Son. Wherefore the Father is the Begetter, the Son is the Begotten, and the Holy Spirit is the one proceeding from the Father and the Son. Therefore, because these three persons in the Godhead are in a state of unity, there is but one Lord God Almighty and His name one.


d. Identity and Cooperation in the Godhead
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are never identical as to Person; nor confused as to relation; nor divided in respect to the Godhead; nor opposed as to cooperation. The Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son as to relationship. The Son is with the Father and the Father is with the Son, as to fellowship. The Father is not from the Son, but the Son is from the Father, as to authority. The Holy Spirit is from the Father and the Son proceeding, as to nature, relationship, cooperation and authority. Hence, neither Person in the Godhead either exists or works separately or independently of the others.



Don't tell me they don't hold to the concept of PERSONS!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From the AOG website statement of faith:

The One True God
The one true God has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind. He has further revealed Himself as embodying the principles of relationship and association as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Adorable Godhead

a. Terms Defined
The terms "Trinity" and "persons" as related to the Godhead, while not found in the Scriptures, are words in harmony with Scripture, whereby we may convey to others our immediate understanding of the doctrine of Christ respecting the Being of God, as distinguished from "gods many and lords many." We therefore may speak with propriety of the Lord our God who is One Lord, as a trinity or as one Being of three persons, and still be absolutely scriptural.

b. Distinction and Relationship in the Godhead
Christ taught a distinction of Persons in the Godhead which He expressed in specific terms of relationship, as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but that this distinction and relationship, as to its mode is inscrutable and incomprehensible, because unexplained.


c. Unity of the One Being of Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Accordingly, therefore, there is that in the Father which constitutes him the Father and not the Son; there is that in the Son which constitutes Him the Son and not the Father; and there is that in the Holy Spirit which constitutes Him the Holy Spirit and not either the Father or the Son. Wherefore the Father is the Begetter, the Son is the Begotten, and the Holy Spirit is the one proceeding from the Father and the Son. Therefore, because these three persons in the Godhead are in a state of unity, there is but one Lord God Almighty and His name one.


d. Identity and Cooperation in the Godhead
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are never identical as to Person; nor confused as to relation; nor divided in respect to the Godhead; nor opposed as to cooperation. The Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son as to relationship. The Son is with the Father and the Father is with the Son, as to fellowship. The Father is not from the Son, but the Son is from the Father, as to authority. The Holy Spirit is from the Father and the Son proceeding, as to nature, relationship, cooperation and authority. Hence, neither Person in the Godhead either exists or works separately or independently of the others.



Don't tell me they don't hold to the concept of PERSONS!!!!!!!!

Did you notice that they never actually defined "persons."

And doesn't this sound a lot like the Roman Catholic "it's a mystery" excuse: "but that this distinction and relationship, as to its mode is inscrutable and incomprehensible, because unexplained."