The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 61

notofworks · #**601** 04-07-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

seriously...

Heb 5:9 And by being perfected in this way, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

Great verse. He certainly HAS provided the way of salvation to all who obey....who don't follow the rules of the world such as don't handle, don't eat, don't touch (Colossians 2), who obey the commands not to add anything or any steps to the simplicity of the gospel of the cross of Christ.

We agree on this one!!

mfblume · #**602** 04-07-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Doesn't the Spirit already know what languages the hearers can understand and thus inspire those languages as in Acts 2?

Sure the Spirit knows, but the bible never stated the Spirit inspires languages the hearers know for the tongue talkers to speak to them.

mfblume · #**603** 04-07-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Cause those it Acts2 understood. The reason they understood was because God gave those speaking the gift to speak to all those people in there native languages.

This is not always the case though. 1 Cor 14 says no one is edified in church but the speaker when the speaker speaks in tongues. That implies the tongues are not understood by anyone else.

Ev. Duane Williams · #**604** 04-07-2010, 09:24 AM

Yes, the Cross of Christ alone saves, but He died for all, so are all saved? Of course not, because many refuse to receive Salvation. So if we accept it, isn't the act of accepting Salvation "adding to" Paul's teaching on the Cross or trying to "earn your Salvation"? The question is how do we receive the Salvation of the Cross. Just as Paul himself did at Ananias' house, by repenting, being baptized in His Name, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Ev. Duane Williams · #**605** 04-07-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Great verse. He certainly HAS provided the way of salvation to all who obey....who don't follow the rules of the world such as don't handle, don't eat, don't touch (Colossians 2), who obey the commands not to add anything or any steps to the simplicity of the gospel of the cross of Christ.

We agree on this one!!

But then, aren't the acts of obedience "works"? And wouldn't your "obedience" to not "add" anything be in itself adding something to the simplicity of the Gospel of the Cross of Christ? You see the wormhole that greasy grace is digging here? Just do what the Bible says, what Paul and the Twelve did, and you'll be saved. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

KWSS1976 · #**606** 04-07-2010, 09:35 AM

But Mfblume thats a diffrent tongues then the Acts account so you guys say. Plus all he is saying is he would rather you prophesieth then speak in an unknown tongue so the chuch will be edified....

TheLegalist · #**607** 04-07-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Illegalist, I have a question for you....if one follows the things you believe are required, what then? Do you believe there are things that must be abstained from in order to stay saved and/or things that one must do to stay saved?

For example, paying tithes...how would you describe the spiritual condition of someone who doesn't tithe?

we tithe or give offering in principle being led by the Spirit. The giving is to those who need. Not a building, though that is beneficial and you should give to the building up of the body. The commandment of Christ is the basis of all law since the beginning. Mark 12:29-31 will always be true and application is always seen. His law is the same law he was judged under and we failed.

someone he doesn't tithe... Well...

1) are they following God's leading?
2) are they truly trusting in him or the flesh?

usually a person that doesn't give is failing in one of these two areas. We can give all we want but unless you are giving according to the Spirit leading you. You still could be robbing God as his will is what is perfect. If you don't know what to give 10% is always a good basis and I don't teach anything strict of what is the right amount. God will reward you and lead you seeing your reponse form the heart. God may ask you to store UP that which he has blessed you for a time of famine.

notofworks · #**608** 04-07-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

we tithe or give offering in principle being led by the Spirit. The giving is to those who need. Not a building, though that is beneficial and you should give to the building up of the body. The commandment of Christ is the basis of all law since the beginning. Mark 12:29-31 will always be true and application is always seen. His law is the same law he was judged under and we failed.

someone he doesn't tithe... Well...

1) are they following God's leading?
2) are they truly trusting in him or the flesh?

usually a person that doesn't give is failing in one of these two areas. We can give all we want but unless you are giving according to the Spirit leading you. You still could be robbing God as his will is what is perfect. If you don't know what to give 10% is always a good basis and I don't teach anything strict of what is the right amount. God will reward you and lead you seeing your reponse form the heart. God may ask you to store UP that which he has blessed you for a time of famine.

YES!!!! I knew it!! So now tithing gets added! It never ends!

What about a lady who obeys the steps you outline and continues to cut her hair, wear makeup, and the guy who won't shave (even when he's asked to)? What is their spiritual condition?

notofworks · #**609** 04-07-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

But then, aren't the acts of obedience "works"? And wouldn't your "obedience" to not "add" anything be in itself adding something to the simplicity of the Gospel of the Cross of Christ? You see the wormhole that is digging here? Just do what the Bible says, what Paul and the Twelve did, and you'll be saved. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Ahhhhhh......."Greasy Grace". I love that term.

Yes, those things are "works". Anything that's a "work" is a "work." They're described in James 2 as being a very important thing. But it doesn't enter into the discussion of salvation.

Well, it does, but it shouldn't.

TheLegalist · #**610** 04-07-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Great verse. He certainly HAS provided the way of salvation to all who obey....who don't follow the rules of the world such as don't handle, don't eat, don't touch (Colossians 2), who obey the commands not to add anything or any steps to the simplicity of the gospel of the cross of Christ.

We agree on this one!!

God's command to not eat of swine etc... is not of the world but a principle issue of order for which certain animals are made and is about basic health of consumption. We do not touch the unclean thing. That is still a principle. nothing directly defiles the Spirit except the heart is what defiles but that which we do touch and handle may bring defilement from the heart. Food in itself does not defile my Spirit but it does have a issue with my health. Thus why God said it is a abomination unto you not him. Spiritual and physical laws are two different things. You should love that which God has given and treat your body as he thought was best by not eating that which he thought was best not to eat. The gospel is about his dying and us doing his will to obtain eternal life likewise. We obtain by contract of obedience which was brought about by HIS sacrifice in which HE became the mediator or administrator of the covenant. Thus IF we do we abide and have assurity of eternal life. If we don't continue to abide we will be judged unfaithful and a wicked servant.