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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Timmy
Oh, and that collection of letters is also the Everlasting Father. A word. Is a father.
Mmmmkay.
That's cute!
Let's see. "...for there is none other NAME...". I know that there are many believers that think that God has, perhaps, a multitude of names: but I guess they must also believe that out of all those names, "...there is none other name..."! That doesn't make sense to me: that's way over my head. I guess I'm one of those men that could not even understand John3:3__ ":Except a man be born again, he cannot [see, perceive, discern, understand] the kingdom of God."
Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
That's cute!
Let's see. "...for there is none other NAME...". I know that there are many believers that think that God has, perhaps, a multitude of names: but I guess they must also believe that out of all those names, "...there is none other name..."! That doesn't make sense to me: that's way over my head. I guess I'm one of those men that could not even understand John3:3__ ":Except a man be born again, he cannot [see, perceive, discern, understand] the kingdom of God."
But thank you for your input.
No idea what you're trying to say.
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Matt 1:20-21
Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
I think that we can all agree that the man, Jesus Christ, possessed a human center of self-conscious reality (self) through which He related to the Father in prayer, worship, adoration, and love.
In my opinion...
Trinitarians want to make this distinct human "self" a second "divine person" that pre-existed the incarnation.
Modalists want to make this distinct human "self" the same "self" as the Father, albeit existing in a distinct mode of existence.
I see problems with both Trinitarianism and Modalism. One makes the "self" of Jesus Christ a second God... the other makes the "self" of Jesus Christ merely an illusion necessitated by mode as it relates to nature. Thus Jesus appears to be a distinct human person in relation to the Father... but He isn't.
Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I see problems with both Trinitarianism and Modalism. One makes the "self" of Jesus Christ a second God... the other makes the "self" of Jesus Christ merely an illusion necessitated by mode as it relates to nature. Thus Jesus appears to be a distinct human person in relation to the Father... but He isn't.
That is a a fabrication Aquila. Oneness don't deny there is a real SELF. It's not an illusion. He is a Real PERSON. He just happens to be the same SELF as the Father but with His Human nature...or in other words functionally a Human being
Of course I explained that before and bumped it 4 times and you either never read it or just did not respond
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I think that we can all agree that the man, Jesus Christ, possessed a human center of self-conscious reality (self) through which He related to the Father in prayer, worship, adoration, and love.
In my opinion...
Trinitarians want to make this distinct human "self" a second "divine person" that pre-existed the incarnation.
Modalists want to make this distinct human "self" the same "self" as the Father, albeit existing in a distinct mode of existence.
I see problems with both Trinitarianism and Modalism. One makes the "self" of Jesus Christ a second God... the other makes the "self" of Jesus Christ merely an illusion necessitated by mode as it relates to nature. Thus Jesus appears to be a distinct human person in relation to the Father... but He isn't.
Aquila, I think this may help you:
Prax's belief about Jesus' dual nature maintains 2 things
1. There should be no differences between Jesus and a regular man except,
2. While Jesus is a regular man, unlike other regular men he is the same person as God.
Yes, This makes Jesus appear as a separate person from God and for 99% of the bible it's fine to believe that Jesus is a different person than God. But theres a few verses and places which clearly demonstrate that Jesus is God. Thus, we need an explanation that explains how Jesus appears to be a man 99% of the time but also can be called God. Prax's solution is to declare that Jesus the human person and God the divine person are actually the same person. He states that God didn't just come in the form of a human and act like he wasn't God. Instead he states that God (the person) added a human nature to himself (the human nature stays completely separate from the divine nature) and thus the person that is God now is also a man and is also God. The assertion Prax makes is that anytime Jesus is referred to as God it is not because Jesus the man posseses any divine qualities but instead it's because Jesus the man is the same person as God and thus any references to Jesus being God are references to only his person being God.
Let me phrase it this way: Prax believes that Jesus oneness' with God is due to him being one person with God.
Aquila, you on the other hand have some strange idea that you can have 2 persons, one God and one man and then someone say that the person that is a man is also God. That makes you having 2 persons you are calling God. How can you call 2 different persons God and yet still claim to believe in one God? How is it that you can claim to believe in one God while doing that?
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I see problems with both Trinitarianism and Modalism. One makes the "self" of Jesus Christ a second God... the other makes the "self" of Jesus Christ merely an illusion necessitated by mode as it relates to nature. Thus Jesus appears to be a distinct human person in relation to the Father... but He isn't.
That is not what I said. Modalism is:
In one mode of being Jesus exists as God the Father. And yet in another mode of being he is the man Christ Jesus.
This is not just past tense to me. It is the present reality.
With all due respect BrotherEastman, flesh does not die. It takes a person to die.
Sure flesh alone can die. Why not?
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