Sickness because of sin.

[gloryseeker]

It looks like we are on the same page and I agree that preacher was a fruitcake. Sorry to hear of your loss, but what a peace there is to know God in situations like this and to know that our loved ones are with Him.

For me, I love to press faith to the max. I truly believe that we are only limited by what we can believe. Not as a condemnation, but that our God is that awesome. Believe me there are areas that I am living below what was provided. There is a healing that I need, have needed for over 30 years. I don't believe that it is God who is holding back because then He would be unjust or a respecter of persons because I know of others who have received this healing.

Some may say that "God is teaching you something." Well, I guess I would be pretty dense then because I just aint getting it. No, the reality is Jesus died for my sins and sicknesses. Through faith I am able to receive it. So it is either me or Jesus and my God is just too good for it to be Him, so I keep building my faith!!!

[OneAccord]

And that may be where we're just not connecting. 30 years? Oral Roberts use to say (and I agree) that "Sometimes, God heals through medicine.") He did in the Bible and I believe He does so now.

But you see, in your post, I read a little condemnation being directed at yourself because you are not healed. Like, "Well, its not Gods fault, so it must be miine". You are, and I mean this with respect, placing the blame for your lack of healing on yourself. That makes "guilt" the under lying factor in your sickness. I read this in God's Word: Psa 84:11 For the LORD God [is] a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good [thing] will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

Maybe, just maybe, God has provided your healing, but you fail to recognize the means through which He provides it.

[Joelel]

Why don't people get healed when the scripture says the effectual fervent prayer of a righeous man availeth much and it says the prayer of faith shall save the sick,it don't say might save the sick ? Maybe they don't get healed because the ones praying is not righeous or praying effectual fervent or don't have faith that is needed or maybe you have sin in your life.

James 5:13: Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16: Confess your faults (sins)one to another (IF YOU SINNED AGAINST SOMEONE), and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much

[Joelel]

Many get sick and die because they eat and drink unworthily.Because they eat and drink with sin in their life.The Lord chastens (whips) us with sickness when we sin.

1 Cor.11: 27: Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28: But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29: For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30: For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31: For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32: But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33: Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34: And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come

[gloryseeker]

Pay close attention to verse 29 which you quoted. "eateth and drinketh damnation to himself" is far different than the Lord whipping someone with sickness. Furthermore, pay attention to the word "when" in verse 32.

It would be an interesting theology to see how Jesus, fulfilling the prophesies of Isaiah (53:4-5), came took our sickness so that we don't have them and then uses them to whip His children. Not only would that be contrary to MANY scriptures, but also to the character of God.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Pay close attention to verse 29 which you quoted. "eateth and drinketh damnation to himself" is far different than the Lord whipping someone with sickness. Furthermore, pay attention to the word "when" in verse 32.

It would be an interesting theology to see how Jesus, fulfilling the prophesies of Isaiah (53:4-5), came took our sickness so that we don't have them and then uses them to whip His children. Not only would that be contrary to MANY scriptures, but also to the character of God.

I don't get the when part.

1 cor.11:30: For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

And that may be where we're just not connecting. 30 years? Oral Roberts use to say (and I agree) that "Sometimes, God heals through medicine.") He did in the Bible and I believe He does so now.

But you see, in your post, I read a little condemnation being directed at yourself because you are not healed. Like, "Well, its not Gods fault, so it must be miine". You are, and I mean this with respect, placing the blame for your lack of healing on yourself. That makes "guilt" the under lying factor in your sickness. I read this in God's Word: Psa 84:11 For the LORD God [is] a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good [thing] will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

Maybe, just maybe, God has provided your healing, but you fail to recognize the means through which He provides it.

Nothing wrong with meds as long as it's good old knock you out wine.Todays meds alot of them is known to kill ya.Oh well mabe the Lord will heal from death.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Nothing wrong with meds as long as it's good old knock you out wine.Todays meds alot of them is known to kill ya.Oh well mabe the Lord will heal from death.

Do you believe that physical death came because of sin in the Garden of Eden?

[gloryseeker]

Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (KJV)

Rom 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--(NAS)

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by onlygrace

Do you believe that physical death came because of sin in the Garden of Eden?

No,spiritual death came because of sin in the garden and yes physical came also later .