I just received my book...

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I haven't gotten by book but I sure hope I get one.

I just wish they would put it on the internet so's all us non-upcer's sitting on the edge of our seat waiting with baited breath for the outcome of resolution 6 could read. OK, maybe not all that baited. And maybe not actually on the edge of the seat, but juked back with the laptop casually flipping through The Theological Dictionary Bro Ensey put together while casually browsing this thread.

[Just a Shepherd]

To order the book:

Mail $8.00 (includes s/h) to:

Peter F. Connell
112 Heritage Ct.
Oakley, CA 94561

Make checks payable to:
Cornerstone Pentecostal Church

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

To order the book:

Mail $8.00 (includes s/h) to:

Peter F. Connell
112 Heritage Ct.
Oakley, CA 94561

Make checks payable to:
Cornerstone Pentecostal Church

Thank you...

What I would like to see is a document from two representative parties put together by the UPC for everyone to examine both sides of the issue. Not just assertions but facts and studies etc etc

[Scott Hutchinson]

Where can I get my hands on that book.Is it for sell to Non-UPCI folks?

[CC1]

Bro. Atkinson,

I agree with your sentiments! If they really want to get the message out rather than just make some bucks from book sales they should put it on the internet in pdf form for all to download and read.

BTW - I think eight bucks seems an awful lot for a thin 50 page book. Hmmmm.....

I thought this was some kind of propaganda piece being sent out gratis.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by CC1

Bro. Atkinson,

I agree with your sentiments! If they really want to get the message out rather than just make some bucks from book sales they should put it on the internet in pdf form for all to download and read.

BTW - I think eight bucks seems an awful lot for a thin 50 page book. Hmmmm.....

I thought this was some kind of propaganda piece being sent out gratis.

It is being sent out free to the ministerial fellowship. It is eight dollars for additional copies and that is not unreasonable considering shipping costs are included. When publishing a small quantity of books the printing costs are much higher than with bestsellers. For you that's about two cups of your socialite coffee indulgences. Not a bad trade off if you ask me.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

It is being sent out free to the ministerial fellowship. It is eight dollars for additional copies and that is not unreasonable considering shipping costs are included. When publishing a small quantity of books the printing costs are much higher than with bestsellers. For you that's about two cups of your socialite coffee indulgences. Not a bad trade off if you ask me.

That is good to hear that they are sending it out free to the ministry. They are probably just hoping for the sales to other interested parties help cover the overall costs of producing it.

You must not read my posts very closely. I am a cheapskate!!!! I just can't bring myself to buy those expensive cups of fancy coffees. At least not for myself. I get them for my wife when she wants them or when on business trips business associates do and it will be on my expense account. Other than that I am looking for the free or very cheap plain ole coffee!!!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by CC1

I am a cheapskate!!!! I

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

It is being sent out free to the ministerial fellowship. It is eight dollars for additional copies and that is not unreasonable considering shipping costs are included. When publishing a small quantity of books the printing costs are much higher than with bestsellers. For you that's about two cups of your socialite coffee indulgences. Not a bad trade off if you ask me.

I hate it when I am thrust into making tough decisions!


However, being a man of honor I will do what I must - I'll go with the two coffee indulgences.

[Puzzled]

I've read the book twice. Why? Because I wanted to do it the 2nd time w/a highlighter and make notes.

The book can be roughly summarized (in my opinion) as:

We've long stood against TV and it's evils.

TV has negative effects on youth who watch violence and are dumbed down by constant base immersion into it's environment.

Radio, Cell Phones, Internet are also great tools for Satan... but we need all those things... so we simply control them. Well... we haven't controlled cell phones but we've done a good job of controlling cell phones (yes... it's just that contradictory in one place).

We need to go back to simply preaching everywhere... and I mean everywhere... mall parking lots, Wal-marts, standing in line at the DMV, in McDonalds... everywhere... just like the parable of the sower who indiscriminately spread his seed on both dry, shallow and stony ground. We need to preach everywhere... well... everywhere except the TV that is. Umm... yeah, that does sound strange doesn't it?

There are a couple of slippery slope arguments about how if you allow television... it's just going to be a catalyst/stepping stone for tearing down all known "holiness" standards. And we all know the illogical implications of such arguments.

It's chock full of anecdotal stories of how Dick and Jane used TV for ministry and their church dried up and lost the power of God. Wow... so if we find positive results then what?

There's some statistics on the ineffectiveness of TV ministries but you can find statistics for anything. I'm not discrediting this argument actually. Barna is pretty objective in his stats, but they are dated. In addition, I don't think that TV is the end all/be all solution for end time revival. Yet it is a tool. And it's no more inherently evil than the internet, radio, etc. It's simply a technological medium. It can be used for good or bad. Period. Are you managing it... or are you avoiding it? Without contact... you can make no impact.


End summary...


I was very disappointed in the book. I would like to hear some more logical and objective arguments against TV and not as much anecdotal stuff and shallow arguments which don't hold up to real scrutiny.

If we have yielded to all the other forms of technology for the most part with the caveat understanding that they must be moderated, filtered, etc, then why continue to isolate TV (television) as being more "evil." The argument against tv and for the internet turns into a more pragmatic argument than a moral one. "Well... yeah the internet is bad... but it's got much information on it... and we need it. So we have to manage it." Well if that's what's causing us to accept the internet over TV then the argument loses all it's moral punch.


In addition... I think we've done a great injustice as a whole in highlighting particulars where the Bible has given us principals. We've said: "TV's are bad" instead of "much of television programming is unwholesome and should be avoided and managed by viewing positive or educational programming and family channels."

The gospel must be preached in every culture, age, country and to every people. The current Articles of Faith will not fit in every culture, age, country and every people. The scriptures do. Why? Because the Bible has particular methods for salvation and it has moral principals that fit every age, culture and people. We've majored in the minors so to speak on so many issues. While ignoring other issues.

God help us,

Troy