New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentance

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Which begs the question....when is the blood applied?

In the waters of baptism by the Spirit of God to our hearts.

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works (sins) to serve the living God?

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

In the waters of baptism by the Spirit of God to our hearts.

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works (sins) to serve the living God?

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Miz, those verses you quoted say nothing of baptism. I'm not even sure why you bolded parts of those verses when the only point that they are making is that the blood, when applied to us, enable us to better serve Him.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

In the waters of baptism by the Spirit of God to our hearts.

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works (sins) to serve the living God?

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

These verses have nothing to do w/ water baptism, Mizpeh, in context.

Very irresponsible bible interpretation from someone who knows the Word and how to study it.

Still waiting on scripture to prove your view.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Which begs the question....when is the blood applied?

The blood is applied when you obey the word or walk in the light.1 John 1:[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

[MrsMcD]

I believe we make being saved way to difficult.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I believe we make being saved way to difficult.

Exactly.

[Cindy]

Y'all are making this harder than it is. The blood of Jesus Christ is applied when we repent (turn away from) our sins. That is when we are forgiven of our sins.

[Joelel]

Forgiveness is not given at repentance,it is given as we walk in the light,as we continue to obey the word of God.Jesus said you MUST be born again. To be born again you must repent and be baptized and be filled with the Holy Ghost to enter the kingdom.Then you must continue in his truth.

1John.1
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Forgiveness is not given at repentance,it is given as we walk in the light,as we continue to obey the word of God.Jesus said you MUST be born again. To be born again you must repent and be baptized and be filled with the Holy Ghost to enter the kingdom.Then you must continue in his truth.

1John.1
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

So, according to this theology we are not justified by faith but by doing more and more we will someday become justified. This is catholic doctrine to the letter.

Watch this debate between a Catholic priest and Christianity. It is scary how close the UPC doctrine is to Catholicism. If you are interested watch all the videos. Here is the first one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0JueyifsXA

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

So, according to this theology we are not justified by faith but by doing more and more we will someday become justified. This is catholic doctrine to the letter.

Watch this debate between a Catholic priest and Christianity. It is scary how close the UPC doctrine is to Catholicism. If you are interested watch all the videos. Here is the first one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0JueyifsXA

True faith brings forth good works.



James, chapter 2
1: My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2: For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3: And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5: Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6: But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7: Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8: If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11: For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12: So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13: For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15: If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16: And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19: Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20: But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23: And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25: Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.