Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

[EA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

No he didn't lie, but I think that he just made a blanket statement and that some people have to tarry for it and some don't. No matter the reasons why someone doesn't get it the Promise is promised to them too.

Justin, it's not because God is a liar, right? It's not because Peter was mistaken, right?

So what is the problem? The problem is human willingness. The problem is our presentation of what, exactly, the purpose of Holy Ghost baptism is.

[KWSS1976]

That just it. It is a promise for everyone not just pentecostals so do you think the baptist or methodist do not get this promise just because they do not speak in tongues...God promised it to all...No praying, No tarrying, No seeking. No one in the bible every seeked for the holyghost like they do these days.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

No he didn't lie, but I think that he just made a blanket statement and that some people have to tarry for it and some don't. No matter the reasons why someone doesn't get it the Promise is promised to them too.

The only people who were told to "tarry" (wait) for the Holy Ghost baptism were the disciples after the resurrection and prior to the Day of Pentecost. Scripture for this is Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:4. There were over 500 believers who saw Jesus after His resurrection (1 Cor. 15:6) and about 120 of them (Acts 1:15) waited in Jerusalem for the promised outpouring of the Holy Spirit. So about one fourth of the early believers were baptized in the Spirit.

[EA]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

That just it. It is a promise for everyone not just pentecostals so do you think the baptist or methodist do not get this promise just because they do not speak in tongues...God promised it to all...No praying, No tarrying, No seeking. No one in the bible every seeked for the holyghost like they do these days.

Friend, I have heard estimations of 700 billion people in the world who claim to have received the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues. Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians. Nearly every branch of Christendom is experiencing Holy Ghost baptism so I don't really see your point.

Funny thing is that while many of us are denying the necessity of the experience, others are hungry for it, and laying hold of God's promise. If we are not careful God will bypass us, and raise up a new generation who will preach truth.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

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2:38b "And ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Promise, promise, promise. It is a guarantee. It will happen. Why would anyone doubt it? Minimize it? Circumvent it? Quench it?

2:39 "The promise is unto you"


Two commands and a promise. God does not lie.

Mark 16:18 Jesus promises that one of the signs that would follow believers is that they "shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover." This too is a promise but it does not always happen. Some times it happens. Some times it happens later. And some times recovery does not happen in this lifetime.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Friend, I have heard estimations of 700 billion people in the world who claim to have received the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues. Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians. Nearly every branch of Christendom is experiencing Holy Ghost baptism so I don't really see your point.

Funny thing is that while many of us are denying the necessity of the experience, others are hungry for it, and laying hold of God's promise. If we are not careful God will bypass us, and raise up a new generation who will preach truth.

I had heard the figure of 500 million people who claim to be Pentecostal or Charismatic. Not all who claim to be Pentecostal or Charismatic have personally spoken with tongues. They consider themselves Pentecostal or Charismatic because they believe in speaking with tongues.

[EA]

Originally Posted by Sam

Mark 16:18 Jesus promises that one of the signs that would follow believers is that they "shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover." This too is a promise but it does not always happen. Some times it happens. Some times it happens later. And some times recovery does not happen in this lifetime.

Peter's promise is more specific.


Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

He was not issuing a generic statement. It was a specific message for EVERYONE.

[EA]

Originally Posted by Sam

I had heard the figure of 500 million people who claim to be Pentecostal or Charismatic. Not all who claim to be Pentecostal or Charismatic have personally spoken with tongues. They consider themselves Pentecostal or Charismatic because they believe in speaking with tongues.

No, I remember reading an article on glossolalia, and it claimed 700 billion had experienced it.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

The only people who were told to "tarry" (wait) for the Holy Ghost baptism were the disciples after the resurrection and prior to the Day of Pentecost. Scripture for this is Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:4. There were over 500 believers who saw Jesus after His resurrection (1 Cor. 15:6) and about 120 of them (Acts 1:15) waited in Jerusalem for the promised outpouring of the Holy Spirit. So about one fourth of the early believers were baptized in the Spirit.

About one fourth of the early church waited/tarried until the Day of Pentecost and then received the Holy Ghost Baptism.
There is no record about the other 380 disciples as to whether or not they received the Holy Ghost Baptism.

We don't read about anyone else being told to wait/tarry.

In Samaria and at Ephesus the Holy Ghost baptism happened after hands were laid on people. Acts 8:17-18; 19:6.

The gentiles in Caesarea received the Holy Ghost baptism while Peter preached. Acts 10:44

[KWSS1976]

I will use my mother for instance goes to a baptist chuch has never spoke in tongues probley never will. So is God breaking his promise to her because she will not recieve the holyghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.. All I