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01-27-2009, 03:22 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Unethical and immoral are not the same thing ... right?
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Right, but that does not mean something can be both unethical and immoral.
Are you ok with being unethical as long as it is not immoral? 
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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01-27-2009, 03:24 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Right, but that does not mean something can be both unethical and immoral.
Are you ok with being unethical as long as it is not immoral? |
Nope, don't think I said that ...
Immoral almost always includes unethical ... unethical may not be immoral.
That being said...
The process and conduct on how we are to deal with unethical behavior as opposed to immoral behavior ... seems plain in the Word. Does it not?
I don't think this situation IF FOUNDED IN FACT may necessarily rise to being immoral.
Again, a lot of it ... the first post .... seems jaded in biases and he said, she said.
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01-27-2009, 03:27 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by edjen01
No...I would not.
No...I would not feel comfortable calling it "unethical or immoral".
For me....it would mean that I would have to take time away from what I'm really suppose to be doing...feeding/caring/loving these sheep. I cannot justify wasting time in vain pursuits.
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Ok, so it is unethical and immoral. Would you, as a pastor, be OK with that church regularly attending your services then at the end approaching those saints in YOUR church and trying to get them to leave and join their church....all things considered...that church is practicing something you called unethical and immoral...as a Pastor would you be comfortable with them getting members of your congregation to join them?
Seems to me if you really cared about the sheep, you would seek to prevent that
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Take a second look, Praxeas.
Eden said he/she would NOT call it unethical and immoral.
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01-27-2009, 03:30 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Take a second look, Praxeas.
Eden said he/she would NOT call it unethical and immoral.
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Wow....well. I take back what I said, but WOW...not unethical?
I wonder if it would be unethical of me to try to convince that persons friend to stop being his or her friend and be mine?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-27-2009, 03:28 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Nope, don't think I said that ...
Immoral almost always includes unethical ... unethical may not be immoral.
That being said...
The process and conduct on how we are to deal with unethical behavior as opposed to immoral behavior ... seems plain in the Word.
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yes you are right, clearly if someone is being immoral they are being unethical but the converse is not necessarily the same.
Yes but given the initial post it was not about the other person or church being unethical in the sense of "what am I going to do to them" like punishment, but rather one of "what am I going to do to protect the flock"
For me? I would not want a pastor that sees other churches, that are supposed to be our brethren, as active targets to fleece.
The church should be focusing on reaching lost souls and raising the new ones.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-27-2009, 03:29 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
yes you are right, clearly if someone is being immoral they are being unethical but the converse is not necessarily the same.
Yes but given the initial post it was not about the other person or church being unethical in the sense of "what am I going to do to them" like punishment, but rather one of "what am I going to do to protect the flock"
For me? I would not want a pastor that sees other churches, that are supposed to be our brethren, as active targets to fleece.
The church should be focusing on reaching lost souls and raising the new ones.
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Grounds to disfellowship ... as Dano is also suggesting and inquiring about?
Part of his question.
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01-27-2009, 04:58 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Unethical and immoral are not the same thing ... right?
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Not necessarily, but they can cross paths.
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01-27-2009, 03:29 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
I reject the notion that God looks at the whole world of Christendom as some unaccountable blob of souls that are free to move from pastor to pastor and local assembly to local assembly.
That flies in the face of so many New Testament principles.
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01-27-2009, 03:30 PM
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
I reject the notion that God looks at the whole world of Christendom as some unaccountable blob of souls that are free to move from pastor to pastor and local assembly to local assembly.
That flies in the face of so many New Testament principles.
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Yeah, don't think that's being said either. But let's not put hyperbole past you....
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01-27-2009, 03:34 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: What do you think of this?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
I reject the notion that God looks at the whole world of Christendom as some unaccountable blob of souls that are free to move from pastor to pastor and local assembly to local assembly.
That flies in the face of so many New Testament principles.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Yeah, don't think that's being said either. But let's not put hyperbole past you....
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They are his sheep, but pastors are charged with feeding them. The idea that an individual can flit about, from church to church, on a whim is simply fruity. ANY pastor who would encourage such immature activity is dangerous.
For goodness sake, why can't people build God's kingdom instead of their own?
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