Are others called to Pastor? - Page 7

Titus2woman · #61 10-07-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

I am shocked at the responses and attitudes of some of you. Why it shouldn't be any problem understanding that that guy called a pastor should sit with you and your family into the wee hours of the morning at the hospital as your loved one is dying and then get his tired ____ out of bed in an hour or so, and go on to his job, working at the steel mill, plumbing shop, carpentry or what ever else he does to pay his bills and making a living for his family. And if he should be too tired to come to the hospital, why it would be time then to elect a new pastor.

And by the way, when it's time to bury your loved one be sure you set the funeral after the pastor's working hours. He can't afford to take off time from his job to conduct a funeral service. Why I'm sure you wouldn't expect that.

Now I'm not for a pastor getting rich from the church. But I do believe that a pastor that is called of God is worthy of being taken care of as a church is capable of doing.

And when your son or daughter is in jail I hope that there is time for the pastor, after he gets off from work, to go and see them. Some folks don't deserve a pastor.

I am and have been a pastor for many years and some of this talk that goes on by some of you makes a preacher ask "why?" why should I care about them, they don't care anything about me, or the work of the Gospel. Why should I spend sleepless nights over a congregation that doesn't appreciate the time I spend.

In some things attitude sure plays a major role, (and that includes the pastors, too) and some folks "attitudes stink!" Well thanks for giving me a chance to have my say. And by the way I don't and have never got rich working for the church. And another thing, I have given folks money out of my own pocket and then when they get their "burr under their saddle" they simply walk off without saying a word.

Let me say this in closing. There are some greedy, self-serving, only thinking of themselves pastors..... and there are some stingy, selfish conniving church members who don't deserve a good pastor, who cares.

Been Thinkin (about this for a long time!)

Some things to think about... Maybe I jaded from living in Texas... So tell me what do you think about

Joel Olsteen
Ed Young
TD Jakes
Ed Young Jr
Kerry Shook
Jack Graham
Ira Hillard

Cause several of those fellows are almost in my backyard. And then we have televangelists and circuit preachers like Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar... oh heck, you get the point! How is that different? Many of them started out just like you describe. When does it become a problem exactly? Can a man really pastor 50 people... 100... 200...500...1,000... 5,000? It seems that everyone decides that 'just bigger than I am' is too big... yet everyone is trying to grow and no one ever voluntarily divides.

I don't doubt that you are sincere and that you are doing your best but do you see what is wrong with the system? My kid is in jail right now and I buried my mother in March. Managing to handle both of those life situations without a 'hired man' and so could anyone else. Many people have just been convinced that they can not... and that they can not 'make it' without a 'man of God'... nuts.

I mean if money is the measure of a pastor... This is the best we've got!

Dordrecht · #62 10-07-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

You missed the point. You made it see as if they did not need money back then.

That is absolutely not true

Not like today.

yes, there was money, but people
traded a lot. Most people HAD NO MONEY.

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Joel Olsteen
Ed Young
TD Jakes
Ed Young Jr
Kerry Shook
Jack Graham
Ira Hillard

OK, now we are going to
look at all the extreme haywire situations!

Good Grief!

(Hi, Cindy!)

Cindy · #63 10-07-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Some things to think about... Maybe I jaded from living in Texas... So tell me what do you think about

Joel Olsteen
Ed Young
TD Jakes
Ed Young Jr
Kerry Shook
Jack Graham
Ira Hillard

Cause several of those fellows are almost in my backyard. And then we have televangelists and circuit preachers like Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar... oh heck, you get the point! How is that different? Many of them started out just like you describe. When does it become a problem exactly? Can a man really pastor 50 people... 100... 200...500...1,000... 5,000? It seems that everyone decides that 'just bigger than I am' is too big... yet everyone is trying to grow and no one ever voluntarily divides.

I don't doubt that you are sincere and that you are doing your best but do you see what is wrong with the system? My kid is in jail right now and I buried my mother in March. Managing to handle both of those life situations without a 'hired man' and so could anyone else. Many people have just been convinced that they can not... and that they can not 'make it' without a 'man of God'... nuts.

I mean if money is the measure of a pastor... This is the best we've got!

I only know who three of those men are, and to me they are not Pastor's in the single Pastor sense. They have to have others under them to help them. They can't pastor that many people effectively.

Titus2woman · #64 10-07-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dordrecht

OK, now we are going to
look at all the extreme haywire situations!

So WHERE do YOU say the line is?

Titus2woman · #65 10-07-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

I only know who three of those men are, and to me they are not Pastor's in the single Pastor sense. They have to have others under them to help them. They can't pastor that many people effectively.

So how many people CAN one man pastor EFFECTIVELY?

Cause I'm just going to be 100% honest here... I have a hard time keeping up with praying for my children, husband, brother, sickly neighbor, dying friend, coworkers in crisis, people I meet out and about, etc. Listening to the troubles of a few good girlfriends that I've known and loved for years, and trying to be sound in my advice. At the end of almost every day there is someone I've said 'I'll pray for you' to that I have probably forgotten. I'm going to assume that paid pastors still have all these people in their lives... So how many other people do you think they can be faithful to?

Cindy · #66 10-07-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Not like today.

yes, there was money, but people
traded a lot. Most people HAD NO MONEY.

OK, now we are going to
look at all the extreme haywire situations!

Good Grief!

(Hi, Cindy!)

AreYouReady? · #67 10-07-2012, 05:56 PM

I have to ask who decided that it was "the pastor's" job to sit with sick people all night?

Where is the biblical precedent?

Cindy · #68 10-07-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

So how many people CAN one man pastor EFFECTIVELY?

I would say 200-300 maybe.

Praxeas · #69 10-07-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Not like today.

yes, there was money, but people
traded a lot. Most people HAD NO MONEY.

OK, now we are going to
look at all the extreme haywire situations!

Good Grief!

(Hi, Cindy!)

They NEEDED money back then too. That they need more today doesn't mean squat. I need more today than they did back then. We all do. It's called INFLATION

Titus2woman · #70 10-07-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

I would say 200-300 maybe.

I love you to pieces Cindy... but...

I completely disagree that any man can have any kind of an effective relationship with 200-300 people... ever. And I believe that this is why the early church was a small group model.

A person can bring a message to hundreds of thousands...(probably not on a weekly basis if he wants to do any kind of decent job) but relationship?... no way.