Well Technically Speaking....

[Sasha]

I see people saying that works doesn't save, and to that alone, I agree, however, one cannot be saved without works if you believe the Bible.

God says faith without works is dead. You can have faith, which is an absolute for salvation, but without works, it's a dead faith. I don't see any examples in scripture where anyone was saved having dead faith.

That being said, I also don't believe anyone has to say anything at a baptism. Jesus calls on us to be baptized and to call on His name. There is nothing that says the preacher has to say anything during a baptism.

If we have faith, a true live faith, works will go hand in hand with that faith.

I don't believe anyone will be in heaven, claiming they did nothing but have faith.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

well I could listen to you or I could listen to Jesus, who said
He that believed and is baptized shall be saved.

Between listening to you and listening to Jesus, who do you think I choose.

Amen. Not4Sale basically wants us to believe we have no Word from God in this world, but then speaks as if his options are divine. Hmmmm, whose the real authority here? Postmodernism at its finest and deadliest.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

That's the problem; defining the "RULES". Rules are what create Religion(s) and Religion eventually becomes darkness because of these Rules.

This is where Hell came from. You don't obey MY rules, you will go to Hell.

I don't understand why we continually revert to Old Testament ways, which was Religion gone rouge. You pick up sticks on the Sabbath, you will be stoned to death. You don't say the name of Jesus at baptism, you go to Hell.

This coming from a guy who doesn't believe the Bible is Gods Word, doesn't believe salvation is exclusively through Jesus Christ, doesn't believe in hell, and believes in some form of universalism. Hmmm.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

This coming from a guy who doesn't believe the Bible is Gods Word, doesn't believe salvation is exclusively through Jesus Christ, doesn't believe in hell, and believes in some form of universalism. Hmmm.

You make plenty of accusations here without backing up your assumptions. It's the same ole, same ole, coming from someone who thinks they know what God is saying in a Religion that is just like any other.

What voices are you hearing in your head today?

I could give you the facts until I'm blue in the face and you still wouldn't believe the TRUTH (If you dare, read the link below). You follow your own ideas, your own culture, and your own dogmas; face it, you know it's the TRUTH that you are a byproduct of another man's byproduct, afraid to embark on a journey outside the Box of that byproduct!

You believe what you believe because someone else has told you what to believe, and your fear of changing will keep you in the harbor of lies.

On the subject of Hell; The Old Testament does not support or teach about Eternal Damnation. The Jews do not believe in Eternal Damnation. But to the amazement of the World of Faith, TA DA, this little stinker sneaks in the back door via The Roman Catholic Church, with all of their little idols!!!

Yeah buddy, it's all about the FEAR! The FEAR of the unseen! Instead of throwing stones at someone for picking up sticks, we throw them into HELL when they make, one wrong, move! Using Hell is another figure of modern age stoning, and is the greatest form of manipulation ever known to a Religion!

Why don't people get it? Hell, or Eternal Damnation, was a part of other Religions far before Christianity ever existed. JB, get out of the Dark Ages.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/ifhellisreal.htm

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You make plenty of accusations here without backing up your assumptions. It's the same ole, same ole, coming from someone who thinks they know what God is saying in a Religion that is just like any other.

What voices are you hearing in your head today?

I could give you the facts until I'm blue in the face and you still wouldn't believe the TRUTH (If you dare, read the link below). You follow your own ideas, your own culture, and your own dogmas; face it, you know it's the TRUTH that you are a byproduct of another man's byproduct, afraid to embark on a journey outside the Box of that byproduct!

You believe what you believe because someone else has told you what to believe, and your fear of changing will keep you in the harbor of lies.

On the subject of Hell; The Old Testament does not support or teach about Eternal Damnation. The Jews do not believe in Eternal Damnation. But to the amazement of the World of Faith, TA DA, this little stinker sneaks in the back door via The Roman Catholic Church, with all of their little idols!!!

Yeah buddy, it's all about the FEAR! The FEAR of the unseen! Instead of throwing stones at someone for picking up sticks, we throw them into HELL when they make, one wrong, move! Using Hell is another figure of modern age stoning, and is the greatest form of manipulation ever known to a Religion!

Why don't people get it? Hell, or Eternal Damnation, was a part of other Religions far before Christianity ever existed. JB, get out of the Dark Ages.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/ifhellisreal.htm

So out of everything I said all you can respond with is there is no hell?

Listen you haven't presented me with anything new. I'm not dogmatic about the specifics of hell. But I do know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God and will be forever separated Him. If you don't believe that then you on what authority should I accept your opinions over the Bible? What credibility do you have vs the Word of God? If were going by our own reason and logic, then I like mine a lot better than yours. And I'll take Paul's statements over yours.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So out of everything I said all you can respond with is there is no hell?

Listen you haven't presented me with anything new. I'm not dogmatic about the specifics of hell. But I do know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God and will be forever separated Him. If you don't believe that then you on what authority should I accept your opinions over the Bible? What credibility do you have vs the Word of God? If were going by our own reason and logic, then I like mine a lot better than yours. And I'll take Paul's statements over yours.

Again, accusations and assumptions that lead to nowhere. Whenever I get specific, you tap out with posts like this. You're the one who brought up that I don't believe in Hell, so I present the FACTS and you dodge the bullet, again.

Since you brought up another "Smoke and Mirrors" attempt to corner me with yet, ANOTHER, shift in the sand, I'll ask you this; who are the unrighteous?

You said you'll take Paul's statements over mine, so here's what Paul said: What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 3:9-12

Paul also said this: As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 8:38-39

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Isaiah 64:6

[KWSS1976]

Seekman,why you so hard on Pentecostals why dont you show the other religions some love too, my guess is they all are wrong about some things that took place in the bible, I come from the Apostolic side of Pentecost and now AOG but I would not bash my Apostolic brothern just because they send eveyone to hell who is not Apostolic.....lol

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Seekman,why you so hard on Pentecostals why dont you show the other religions some love too, my guess is they all are wrong about some things that took place in the bible, I come from the Apostolic side of Pentecost and now AOG but I would not bash my Apostolic brothern just because they send eveyone to hell who is not Apostolic.....lol

Where am I bashing anyone? I do question certain teachings and point out areas of disagreement though. To me, that's not bashing.

[kclee4jc]

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