Mark of the beast idea

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why do you keep arguing against Moses being Jesus when i never once said Moses is Jesus or vice versa? Lol. I said foreshadow. Do you not know what a foreshadow is?

Mike, with the sun on my back, and casting a foreshadow thats about 10 ft. long, I could take a 22 pistol and unload the clip into my shadow. It would not hurt at all. Ya know why?. My shadow is NOTHING.

You are making something out of NOTHING with your vague comparisons of "types", trying to connect Moses to Jesus somehow. The slight similarities are not enough to take a passage about the Lord and make them about a vaguely similar event in Exodus.

Then you turn it into..."this passage in Rev. is actually talking about this passage in Exodus"....or "Rev. is just a shadow of Exodus", (which Exodus physically happened).

I will box Mike Tysons shadow any day of the week, but not him!...Rev. is a real future event and not a shadow..

[Aquila]

My question was unanswered. So, I'll ask it again...

Question for Partial Preterists...

Where in Scripture do we see the literal physical return of Jesus depicted?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The futurist interpretation is NOT "stated in the Bible" anymore than the preterist interpretation.

Seeking to understand spiritual truths by recourse to the Word of God is NOT watering things down.

Anyway, futurism and preterism are both Jesuit counter-reformation propaganda imo, so sally forth people! lol

This is a common misconception. Jesuits never proposed Preterism. They proposed more historicism where centuries are covered and focus not put on Israel and Jerusalem as Preterism puts it.

Preterism vastly differs from what Jesuits and historicism espoused. The harlot is Jerusalem. The first century alone took rev 1-19 into fulfillment. Try to find that in jesuit teachings.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, with the sun on my back, and casting a foreshadow thats about 10 ft. long, I could take a 22 pistol and unload the clip into my shadow. It would not hurt at all. Ya know why?. My shadow is NOTHING.

You are making something out of NOTHING with your vague comparisons of "types", trying to connect Moses to Jesus somehow. The slight similarities are not enough to take a passage about the Lord and make them about a vaguely similar event in Exodus.

Then you turn it into..."this passage in Rev. is actually talking about this passage in Exodus"....or "Rev. is just a shadow of Exodus", (which Exodus physically happened).

I will box Mike Tysons shadow any day of the week, but not him!...Rev. is a real future event and not a shadow..

That makes absolutely no sense at all. You clearly do not know what a foreshadow is.

Moses flatly stated Good would raise up a property like him. That is nothing to you? This betrays a gaping hole in your theology. Wow.

You see no topology in Moses as a little child going into Egypt escaping death by massacre as Jesus did the same? Wow.

There's nothing vague about it.

[mfblume]

Sean, A foreshadow is intentional typology by God. Like a shadow is similar but far less in quality than the image itself, Moses foreshadowed Christ in many ways. Hebrews actually uses the type.

Shadows aren't nothing. They're indications of what is the greater antitype.

Moses went into Egypt as an infant like Christ during massacre. Moses led Israel out of Egypt to a mountain called Sinai where he gave them ten commandments. Jesus led a multitude to the mountain and gave nine beatitudes.

Moses brought law. Jesus brought Grace and truth.

The comparisons between Revelation and exodus journey are far far from vague. They're unbelievably astounding!

Only one with eyes to see who cannot see would dismiss them.

Jesus is even compared to Israel coming out of Egypt by the New testament.

Matt 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Moses gave Israel the words Jesus quoted to the devil while in the wilderness as Israel was told those words in the wilderness.

That's one reason Moses was with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration. Jesus face shone like the sun with no veil like Moses ' did. In fact 2Cor 3 contrasts Moses with Jesus in many places.

It all helps us understand Jesus better. It's a miracle of God's word. Jesus led an exodus from sin's bondage as Moses led Israel out. The exodus is even used in Hebrews chapter 3-4 as a shadow. You say that's nothing? Lately folks are near blasphemy around here. Wow

[Sean]

Blasphemy is your systematic "dismantling" of the book of Revelation with your ideology. Like your assertion that Rev. is symbolic of Exodus.

Mike, you are obsessed with types and shadows. Your theology points backwards. Mine points forwards.

The Lord Jesus in Rev. is not a shadow figure of Moses, but Moses is a "shadow figure" of Jesus.

Look at your stuff...you are telling folks that read Rev,,,,,,"hey everyone, look at Exodus, Rev. means Exodus"......you got the end of the Bible pointing to the beginning of the Bible...

Whats wrong with this picture???

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by Sean

Blasphemy is your systematic "dismantling" of the book of Revelation with your ideology. Like your assertion that Rev. is symbolic of Exodus.

Mike, you are obsessed with types and shadows. Your theology points backwards. Mine points forwards.

The Lord Jesus in Rev. is not a shadow figure of Moses, but Moses is a "shadow figure" of Jesus.

Look at your stuff...you are telling folks that read Rev,,,,,,"hey everyone, look at Exodus, Rev. means Exodus"......you got the end of the Bible pointing to the beginning of the Bible...

Whats wrong with this picture???

Sean, are you even reading what Mike types? Seriously, you said nothing that was remotely close to what he said. And I have NO idea how you came to your conclusion because I can not believe somebody could misrepresent what was said any more than you did. WOW!

[shag]

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must NOT shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,



Ok, I fixed it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shag

Revelation 1:1

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must NOT shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,



Ok, I fixed it.

Thanks Shag, now please show me when these events ALREADY happened please. Thanks.....

Revelation 16

16 1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thanks Shag, now please show me when these events ALREADY happened please. Thanks.....

Revelation 16

16 1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Don't care how it happened. And, no matter what I said, you wouldn't believe it.
Now, What is the purpose of God having the phrase "shortly take place", in the first verse, and "the time is near", in the 3rd verse?