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Old 10-23-2010, 11:10 AM
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That's true, and I don't live like that either. However, you know as well as I do that some people just don't ring true, even through emotionless, faceless typewritten communication. It's okay to pick up on that and try to make sure the person is being authentic.

It's also short sighted to think that these online communications don't actually create relationships. There was a man on the Good News Cafe once who faked his death as a prank. Unfortunately, he didn't count on the outpouring of sympathy and real, heartfelt grief from his fellow posters. He actually hurt many of them with his deceit. It would be the same here - if we thought something bad had happened to Renda, for instance, I would personally be heartbroken, even though I've never met Renda in "real life."

It's good to remember that there are real people behind every screen name. Sometimes there are good people, sometimes bad, and sometimes there are raving lunatics.

Ok, two things......if someone shows up here and they're up to no good, it's always obvious, to me, anyway, and I'm sure to others. If someone's just getting their jollies trying to be another character, so what. I don't care. When I first arrived, I was inundated with PM's from people trying to figure out who I was. It was during DA's year-long absence and 6 different people emailed me asking if I was him. When I learned more about him when he re-appeared, I was flattered.

Second thing, in my actual life, I have been amazed at the God-given foresight when I've encountered destructive people. It has literally frightened me, at times. So I trust in that and don't go looking for bad people. But if an alarm goes off, I pay attention.

Third thing....you've never met Renda??? So I have met met her and yet I don't get to be Admin? I don't understand that. I'm so mild-mannered, soft-spoken, non-controversial, that I'd be a perfect fit!
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Old 10-23-2010, 11:26 AM
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Ok, two things......if someone shows up here and they're up to no good, it's always obvious, to me, anyway, and I'm sure to others. If someone's just getting their jollies trying to be another character, so what. I don't care. When I first arrived, I was inundated with PM's from people trying to figure out who I was. It was during DA's year-long absence and 6 different people emailed me asking if I was him. When I learned more about him when he re-appeared, I was flattered.

Second thing, in my actual life, I have been amazed at the God-given foresight when I've encountered destructive people. It has literally frightened me, at times. So I trust in that and don't go looking for bad people. But if an alarm goes off, I pay attention.

Third thing....you've never met Renda??? So I have met met her and yet I don't get to be Admin? I don't understand that. I'm so mild-mannered, soft-spoken, non-controversial, that I'd be a perfect fit!
No! We even drove through Memphis last year (or was it 2008?) on vacation, and I should've arranged something, but I didn't. Shame on me!
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No! We even drove through Memphis last year (or was it 2008?) on vacation, and I should've arranged something, but I didn't. Shame on me!
YES! Shame on you!

And, thanks for caring if something happened to me. This forum is a lot more than just a place to type words and vent to unknown people. You are exactly right there are real people here and then there are just some people.....lol!
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Old 10-23-2010, 12:15 PM
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Hello everyone.

This is my 2nd post here, although I've been following this board for about 5 months now.

This not-for-profit ministry has had great success in helping Christians attain total freedom from unwanted same sex attraction:

www.lifeministry.org/

I'm including a cut and paste of some info that I sent my pastor this week about them and their leader Joanne Highley:

The leadership at www.lifeministry.org comes out of Assemblies of God and some type of Lutheran sect, so they have an anti-Oneness bias because of their tradition/history and what they were taught in their bible colleges, but I've seen the CEO change her mind/get revelation about other things that she once thought were false doctrine. Right now, they are concerned about their bills and the expansion of their work (at age 78, the CEO, Joanne is going all over the world teaching - churches want her to come teach, start daughter works/offshoot ministries). She's also one of the few female Christian leaders I've met who take a strong stance on doctrine (many women leaders in the church world that I've seen are accomodationist to the extreme). She holds very strong teachings against these doctrines that are being promoted by similar ministries:


all people have a masculine and feminine side- Joanne teaches that men are all masculine, women are all feminine. Men are prophets, priests, seed planters, providers and protectors, women are designed to be receptors and nurturers (She doesn't believe in women pastors)


God is both masculine and feminine- Joanne teaches that God is God, but He has chosen to present himself to mankind as masculine- she teaches that Christ is the husbandman and the church is the bride of Christ. Women are not inferior or of lesser worth in the eyes of God, but males and females are designed to function differently


unwanted same sex attraction ("SSA") is a spirit- Joanne teaches that SSA a complex form of sin that is idolatry and idolatry is addiction- in the case of SSA, it is addiction to a certain type of relationship, dealing with life through the resources and perceptions of an alienated and hurt child


the answer to SSA is mainly based upon choice- if the person gets prayed for and then goes back to their sin, they are reprobate and need to be cast out of the church of Jesus Christ-, this ministry teaches that choice is a key factor in behavior- a person who goes to act out is exercising their will, it can never be said that "the devil made me go act out against my will"- but it is more than just abstinance- the emotions, thoughts, identity and concept of God need to be looked at with a counselor or a trusted friend with the tool of writing in a journal or notebook or recording each of the above 4 to discern where the misunderstandings lay- casting out of demons is part of the process (and praying into the person the corresponding spirits of godliness), but JUST casting out demons cannot do the total work of deliverance


SSA is a disease- the disease concept of addiction is a false doctrine- addiction is not a disease- disease connotates that a person become passive and needs to either be on meds indefinitely or that they need someone or something else to take care of them or rescue them. Right now according to US law, addiction is a disease


Addiction needs to be worked out through a 12 step model approach- addiction ministries based upon AA have no real efficacy, for several reasons- AA groups are not authoritarian in leadership thus there is no submission to authority; also AA teaches submission to a higher power as you understand him- which is unbiblical


The Christian has both an old man and a new man concurrently co-existing within the soul- once you become a Christian, you have a new nature. You are not a homosexual, but rahter someone who is working to overcome the sin that is in the thoughts and emotions because of what have become conditioned internalized automatic responses to pain, alienation and rejection (Romans 7)


It is all right for people who were once SS lovers to live and work together as long as they aren't having relations- two persons (with SSA or heterosexual) who were in an addictive co-dependent relationship need to separate so that deliverance/cleansing can occur - there are similar ministries that teach that such persons can live together platonically and/or take a vow of chastity/celibacy and still do Christian ministry


The answer to SSA is to give the person what they never got in childhood- the answer to deliverance from SSA is not to give people what they never got in childhood IE: if a male wasn't affirmed by his male peers, just giving him lots of affirmation by male peers will not make this man's emotions change; if a woman didn't get love from her father, family counseling to get her father to love her isn't going to change her SSA.


There is one definite set of steps for everyone who has experienced SSA - the answer to deliverance from SSA is intimacy with God, not a set of pre-packaged steps, however just telling someone to pray, fast, read the bible, go to church will never address all of the unanswered questions and the person's ungodly responses to pain


You cannot lose your salvation - (this is Calivinism) Joanne teaches that a person can lose their salvation, but that they can get it back again


(there are maybe 6-7 other main points that I can't recall off the top of my head)

Because she takes a hardline stance on these issues, similar ministries who have more financial backing have an issue with www.lifeministry.org and they have to stand apart from them. Kind of reminds me of how we cannot totally go along with some churches because of doctrinal differences over:


calling pagan customs Christian
baptizing any which way
calling people saved who've never received the Holy Ghost
looking the other way on people who are affiliated with secret organizations (Joanne teaches against this too- her parents were in these groups and she inherited demonic power from it- had to have it cast off/prayed out of her)


More to come on this one... There's an interesting discussion related to this going on on this site: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=31955 But, I'm not feeling to go posting anything on there just yet (what we post on websites remains forever as a witness- something that people who are twittering away their time need to be mindful of, I think)

So having said all of this, I will try to keep all the leadership on the www.apypu.com website in prayer. IMHO this leadership needs to do better than the past generation in deliverance and addiction ministry. The old school leaders had a lot of hurt and lack of literacy and low self-worth and internal struggles and post traumatic slave disorder and effects of poverty and the pollitical economy of the eras of heroin and crack to the point that too many persons whom God sent to them have had to go to the mammon of Babylon to get help, and in going to Babylon, they have been unduly influenced by their false gods.
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Old 10-23-2010, 12:27 PM
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Old 10-23-2010, 01:53 PM
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Wow. Your logic is....illogical.

It's always funny to me how people bail when it comes to the eternity thing. Everyone throws around "False" this or that, but when it comes to heaven or hell, you chicken out and say, "Well, that's up to God." For crying out loud, it wasn't up to God when you said he teaches false doctrine!

Get some guts and tell DA his false doctrine is sending people to hell and that he is going to hell because of his false doctrine.
Really? Do you think that everyone that has a doctrine different than yours is going to hell? What about non-salvific doctrines like eschatology?
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Old 10-23-2010, 02:11 PM
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NOW, I think you are argumentitive and want to bludgeon to death anyone who doesn't agree with you. Not everything in life is black and white. There are gray areas and room for disagreement and judgment. imho
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NOW, I think you are argumentitive and want to bludgeon to death anyone who doesn't agree with you. Not everything in life is black and white. There are gray areas and room for disagreement and judgment. imho


Is it an infractible offense if I call DedicatedMind a "Hypocrite"? I won't call him that until I know for sure.

So DedMind, YOU proclaim that DA is in FALSE DOCTRINE and THEN say that I want to bludgeon to death anyone who doesn't agree with me"?????????

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? How do you say that with a straight face?

"For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself, for thou that judgest doest the same things."
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Really? Do you think that everyone that has a doctrine different than yours is going to hell? What about non-salvific doctrines like eschatology?


I would say that you're missing the point, but that would be a radical understatement. You're not in the same galaxy, and in fact, I'm saying totally the opposite of what you posted. So you need to read the entire exchange between DedMind and I.
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Is it an infractible offense if I call DedicatedMind a "Hypocrite"? I won't call him that until I know for sure.

So DedMind, YOU proclaim that DA is in FALSE DOCTRINE and THEN say that I want to bludgeon to death anyone who doesn't agree with me"?????????

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? How do you say that with a straight face?

"For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself, for thou that judgest doest the same things."
NOW, you're the one putting words in my mouth saying DA is going to hell and so forth. I never said that easy Grace is a damnable heresey or that DA was lost for preaching it, you did. You're the one trying to paint me into a corner and bludgeon me to death. Do you believe that water/spirit preachers are preaching false doctrine? How do you characterize their teachings?
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