Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Jito463

The "new covenant" is built on the foundations of the "old covenant". Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it. When the Bible says that one of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not kill", there's a grave misunderstanding of the word 'kill'. It means not to commit murder, it doesn't mean that killing itself is verboten. Killing in self defense is permitted, killing to protect others is permitted, killing in defense of your country is permitted and killing in the name of justice is permitted. Killing is not prohibited, committing murder is.

Now, before you go accusing me of being bloodthirsty, I don't want to kill anyone. No one sane wants to take another life - and I pray every day that I don't have to - but those of us who carry, acknowledge that it's sometimes necessary.

Originally Posted by Jito463

The "new covenant" is built on the foundations of the "old covenant". Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it.

I agree with you. I’m in no wise saying we take the Old Covenant and throw it out the window, nor am I saying rip it out of your Bible or Tablet. Yet, as you stated which was first spoken by our Lord, Jesus Christ. He came to fulfill the law. That word that you have quoted, means complete, furnish, etc... Now, are YOU going to follow the Law (Old Covenant) in the light of the New Covenant fully? If so, How can you? How can you follow the Old Covenant completely to the letter and at the same time follow the New Covenant to the letter? The Old Covenant was not complete, what completed it, was the spirit and life of Jesus Christ.

For example,

Exodus 21:24-27
[24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
[25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
[26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
[27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

This was allowed in the times of the Former Covenant.
If someone hit you, you had every right in earth and heaven to hit them back.

How was this fulfilled?

Luke 6:28-31
[28] Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. [29] And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
[30] Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
[31] And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

In our previous text, it spoke of vengeance, someone hurt your eye, you need to hurt them back. Yet, in the Light of the New Covenant, by the way the same covenant that you correctly said fulfilled the old. We are to turn the other cheek for the same person that just hit us, in order for him to hit us again. That’s what Jesus is teaching, something totally opposite of the Old Covenant. I could give you more examples, yet I know you already know them. So, once again, which Covenant are you going to follow the Old or the New?

Originally Posted by Jito463

Killing in self defense is permitted, killing to protect others is permitted, killing in defense of your country is permitted and killing in the name of justice is permitted. Killing is not prohibited, committing murder is.

You do as you feel.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

This is gonna be blunt, but have you killed anyone in the name of God recently? If not, then based on what you wrote, you too are choosing what part of the Bible to obey

Show me the Scripture(s) that command me to go out and kill people.

But let's just pretend for a moment that you are right (you aren't, but let's say you are for the sake of discussion). Then what exactly did you just prove? That we are both wrong and in error and following our own self created heresies? That we are both headed to the lake of fire? Is that some kind of consolation for you? "Well, I may be lost but you are too, so that makes me content to be lost"?

Think about it.

[Esaias]

When the subject of armed militaristic activity comes up, you guys ALWAYS resort to a very specific, one sided pacifist view. When you talk about faith you guys NEVER point to the SPIRIT ANOINTED PROPHETS AND JUDGES who WAGED WAR against heathen invaders and idolaters and such as EXAMPLES of TRUE BIBLICAL FAITH.

Therefore your mind set does not match that of the Bible sriters.

Just like the Baptist will NEVER feel led to blurt put "baptism doth also now save us" nor do they ever ask anyone "Why are you waiting? Get up and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." When asked "What should I do in response to the evangelistic message?" they NEVER feel led to say "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you too shall receive the gift of the Spirit."

If those verses are pointed out to them, they hem and haw and say "Oh yes of course BUT..." and proceed to "explain" why they don't mean what they plainly say or shy they mysteriously don't apply to you and me. And when pressed the Baptist and all such heretics resort to the "You just aren't hearing from God good enough."

So I conclude you guys are just as unbiblical as the Baptist, and for the same reason. Out of the heart the mouth speaks, what you believe is expressed by your words. When people don't talk like the Bible on Bible subjects, it's because they don't THINK like the Bible. They got some other religion.

Jesus COMMANDED His disciples to be armed. You and your crew would not only NEVER do such a thing, you teach AGAINST it. In your version of reality, anyone who is armed is unspiritual, relying on the flesh, not in tune with and therefore outside of the will of God. But your version of reality is not the version presented by Jesus. nd sorry to disappoint but Jesus is a weightier authority. Think I'll go with Him.

You say as Christians we're under a different set of rules? Funny, the BIBLE says the new covenant involves the writing of God's laws into the hearts and minds of His people. Not "a new batch of rules" but God's rules.

Your version of Christianity says a woman who speaks publicly about getting help from a psychiatric therapist will infect Holy Ghost men of God with demons of digestive problems, so "touch not the unclean thing", yet it's perfectly acceptable for Christians to engage in the rituals of demon worship and idolatry as long as they say it's for Jesus. Talk about confusion!

Sorry, your version of things simply does not line up with the Bible.

As for "the weapons of our warfare" you have been corrected on that several times already yet you persist in not understanding what Paul is talking about. So I'll not explain it again.

Ask yourself this: why is Deut 22:5 still valid but the Ten Commandments aren't in your religion?

[MawMaw]

Just saw a video from Pastor Spell that the US 5th Circuit Appeals Court, ruled in the Church's favor! This is wonderful! A victory for ALL churches!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by MawMaw

Just saw a video from Pastor Spell that the US 5th Circuit Appeals Court, ruled in the Church's favor! This is wonderful! A victory for ALL churches!

Good news.

[Scott Pitta]

If churches obey public health and safety regulations, why disobey the restrictions made during the pandemic ?

I do not recall seeing any reports of churches defying the feds during the 1918 pandemic. Why be different now ?

Having a church during a pandemic is like serving potato salad to members at a potluck dinner that was left out and spoiled. Expose members to contaminated food and leave risk management to God. It is our right and tradition.

Is the risk worth it ? Who is responsible for needless deaths ? Will the credibility of the local church suffer in the eyes of the community ? What are the legal liabilities ?

Turn the other cheek and wear the mask. Put others first and practice social distancing.

[james34]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If churches obey public health and safety regulations, why disobey the restrictions made during the pandemic ?

I do not recall seeing any reports of churches defying the feds during the 1918 pandemic. Why be different now ?

Having a church during a pandemic is like serving potato salad to members at a potluck dinner that was left out and spoiled. Expose members to contaminated food and leave risk management to God. It is our right and tradition.

Is the risk worth it ? Who is responsible for needless deaths ? Will the credibility of the local church suffer in the eyes of the community ? What are the legal liabilities ?

Turn the other cheek and wear the mask. Put others first and practice social distancing.

So much error in the post above.

1) The credibility of the church in the eyes of carnal man was always in question.
There is always a point where the church has to decide it is doing the will of God even if it doesn’t please man. “ Whether we ought to obey man rather than God”
...and the church( not carnal man) has to decide where that point is.

The 1918 pandemic did not get its momentum from internet social media and MSN media hype. People witnesses with their own eyes mass death. They were not reacting on here say or a news report .

There is a place where it’s better to die in faith than to live in fear at the expense of faith being cast aside.

Heb 11:35 - Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by james34

So much error in the post above.

1) The credibility of the church in the eyes of carnal man was always in question.
There is always a point where the church has to decide it is doing the will of God even if it doesn’t please man. “ Whether we ought to obey man rather than God”
...and the church( not carnal man) has to decide where that point is.

The 1918 pandemic did not get its momentum from internet social media and MSN media hype. People witnesses with their own eyes mass death. They were not reacting on here say or a news report .

There is a place where it’s better to die in faith than to live in fear at the expense of faith being cast aside.

Heb 11:35 - Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection

The pandemic of 1918 was caused by experimental "vaccines" and cross-reaction with the newly established electric and radio grids, and was proven to be non-communicable by ordinary social contact and even by sick people directly breathing into the mouths and lungs of healthy people.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If churches obey public health and safety regulations, why disobey the restrictions made during the pandemic ?

Ah, yes. The "pandemic" with a 99.9% plus survival rate for the vast majority of people, especially those under 65.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I do not recall seeing any reports of churches defying the feds during the 1918 pandemic. Why be different now ?

As James already pointed out, people could see the effects for themselves in real time, they weren't being told something that contradicted what they saw with their own eyes. Also, that tended to affect younger people more, as opposed to the WuFlu that primarily affected older people. If we had just protected them, rather than shutting down our entire economy, the world would have been better off.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Having a church during a pandemic is like serving potato salad to members at a potluck dinner that was left out and spoiled. Expose members to contaminated food and leave risk management to God. It is our right and tradition.

That is a completely ridiculous argument.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Is the risk worth it ?

Why aren't people allowed to decide for themselves if the risk is worth it? Why do we have to wait for daddy goobermint to tell us? Especially since daddy likes to change policy all the time. Don't wear the mask, then wear the mask. Then lock down, then don't lock down, then lock down again. Wear two masks, don't wear two masks. The list goes on and on and on.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Who is responsible for needless deaths?

Can you tell me truthfully that there was an outbreak of "needless deaths" from churches holding services?

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Will the credibility of the local church suffer in the eyes of the community?

What's right isn't always popular, and what's popular isn't always right.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

What are the legal liabilities?

Ah yes, because all our decisions should be based on whether or not we'll face legal repurcussions.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Turn the other cheek and wear the mask. Put others first and practice social distancing.

I guess you didn't get the memo, "social distancing" is a crock. First it was 6 feet, then 3 feet, then they found out that distancing doesn't make a lick of difference indoors, it's how much time you spend around people. Go bow down at the altar of your god goobermint, the rest of us will be worshipping the one true God.

[TJJJ]

Pacifism in the New Testament church has proved to work well for 2000 years .