Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy? - Page 74

Praxeas · #**731** 10-23-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I don't think NOW believes people with different teachings are going to hell.

But if you're teaching says you will perish and go to hell unless you are saved, and you are only saved if you do XYZ, then I'd expect someone to agree that if you didn't do XYZ the way they believe it, that you are going to hell. Make sense?

I know he doesn't, that was my point

Sam · #**732** 10-23-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

Psych ward. Ugh. Brings back some really bad memories of being locked up in them.

Hey Sam, since this thread is seriously derailed for the moment, I have a question for you. You mention visiting someone in the ward. I am going to assume that perhaps you have done this more than once in your ministry (I realize that visiting a psych ward and ministering in one does not make you an expert by any means). Just curious if you think people end up there more often because of imbalances in their brain chemistry and/or emotional distress or because of spirits and demonic posession?

both.
This young man committed himself because of having suicidal thoughts.
He is addicted to pain killers, not because of relief from pain but because of the high he gets from them. He also has an alcohol problem. He has made a commitment to Jesus years ago. He has struggled with alcohol and drugs for over 10 years.

I don't really like the term "demon possession." The word in the Greek NT is "demonized" but because of the customs and understanding in England when the Bible was translated into English we have the term "demon possessed" in our Bible. I believe satan and his angels/demons can influence/demonize anyone, even Christians. I believe Jesus within us is greater than any power of satan and his angels outside of us and is greater than our old nature which we are born with and will carry until we are glorified/raptured/resurrected.

I believe groups like AA and NA are very effective in helping people with alcohol and drug problems. I believe that God is at work in those groups even though people don't even know His name but they do admit their own weakness and helplessness and their need for "A Higher Power." I believe God is so loving and anxious to help us that He will do it even if we never know Him as anything other than "The Higher Power."

I also believe medication and therapy are God given helps in treating any diseases --mental, emotional, physical, etc.

When we pray for people we rebuke satan in Jesus name. We also pray for them to stand against satan in the power of the name of Jesus, in the power of the blood of Jesus, and with the help of Jesus Christ living within them.

We tell people we pray for that they have an advantage over others in AA or NA because they know that the Higher Power is Jesus and He lives in them.

Praxeas · #**733** 10-23-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Actually, Prax, though that sounds logical and can sometimes be true -- if the doctrine has to do with one's salvation, it doesn't flesh out the same.

If you MUST do XYZ to be saved, and Candidate A does not do XYZ, then the theology there is that they will perish. It's not a personal judgement. It's not discounting "i put it in God's hands", etc... it's when the theology (rubber) meets the road.

the point is: just saying someone is teaching false doctrine does not mean said teacher is going to hell. That was and is the point I made

Dedicated Mind · #**734** 10-23-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

DM, I'm responding to your comments on the other thread, please continue to do the same here.

How, in your theology, is their room for another to be saved outside of the 3-steps?

the Light Doctrine.

Jeffrey · #**735** 10-23-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I know he doesn't, that was my point

You're not reading my entire response. The "But" part.

Jeffrey · #**736** 10-23-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

the Light Doctrine.

Do you personally believe in the so-called Light Doctrine?

I could never make sense of such a doctrine. It seems to be counter-intuitive to evangelism as well. And is there a definable moment when they are saved?

Jeffrey · #**737** 10-23-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

the point is: just saying someone is teaching false doctrine does not mean said teacher is going to hell. That was and is the point I made

I agree with that point. However, because of the topic, I believe this is why NOW made the point that it would definitely imply hell, since we are talking salvation.

Praxeas · #**738** 10-23-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You're not reading my entire response. The "But" part.

I read it. I didn't respond to it because a response wasn't warranted. I never said NOW believes everyone that disagrees with him on every doctrinal issue is going to hell. I asked him a question with the implied answer being no, which I said in my next post that I assumed it was no

Jeffrey · #**739** 10-23-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I read it. I didn't respond to it because a response wasn't warranted. I never said NOW believes everyone that disagrees with him on every doctrinal issue is going to hell. I asked him a question with the implied answer being no, which I said in my next post that I assumed it was no

Uh... ok, dude.

Dedicated Mind · #**740** 10-23-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Do you personally believe in the so-called Light Doctrine?

I could never make sense of such a doctrine. It seems to be counter-intuitive to evangelism as well. And is there a definable moment when they are saved?

The point of the light doctrine in my view is that everyone will be judged on an individual basis. Not like all catholics are damned and all pentecostals are saved. I don't believe that should affect evangelism in any way.