Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

[freeatlast]

Gal 3:2 this only would I learn of you, Recieved ye the spirit by the woks of the law. or by the hearing of faith ?

I came , I heard , I believed, I received.

My life was forever changed in that instant....and I did'nt speak in tongues.

Later , as I grew in grace, Christ manifested his spirit in my life and I spoke in other tongues. I was filled with his spirit, The spirit fell on me.

It has happened many times since. I trust tomorrow He will fill me once again as his spirit falls on me.

It's all good.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Gal 3:2 this only would I learn of you, Recieved ye the spirit by the woks of the law. or by the hearing of faith ?

I came , I heard , I believed, I received.

My life was forever changed in that instant....and I did'nt speak in tongues.

Later , as I grew in grace, Christ manifested his spirit in my life and I spoke in other tongues. I was filled with his spirit, The spirit fell on me.

It has happened many times since. I trust tomorrow He will fill me once again as his spirit falls on me.

It's all good.

My experience would be similar but a little different than yours. I was witnessed to and believed. I read the gospels and repented. I called a chaplain and was baptized and felt clean on the inside and a profound sense of peace while under the water...(I stayed under there longer than usual because it was in a bathtub and the minister was trying to make sure I was under!). I asked God to use my hands as his own and when I laid my hands and prayed, I started speaking in tongues. I found a Oneness church less than a year after that.

Faith in Christ and repentance made a huge change in me. I no longer wanted to do the things I use to do. All I thought about was God. I wanted to seek his face by reading his word and prayer. I told almost everyone I came into contact with about Jesus. God was with me but He wasn't in me until I received the Spirit with the evidence of tongues.

[Kansas Preacher]

If anyone is interested, I preached a message on this subject a while back. You can hear it on our church website. It is called "With You or In You," and is under the "Featured Sermons."

[SDG]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Dan, stop the madness please. Context here. Jesus was talking to the saints and his whole conversation was to the lukewarm Laodicean church. He didn't throw in a verse all of a sudden dealing with sinners, when his whole conversation is about the saints in the Laodicean church!!

Look at whole passage. ..

14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[f] write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[g] I will vomit you out of My mouth. 1718 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”

Dan, who is he talking to, and what is he talking about? Is he not taking to a lukewarm church that needs to repent?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION DOCTRINE.

The "anyone" he is speaking to is specifically dealing with anyone in the Laodicean church he is addressing. Is that too hard to see?

Or do you just want to cling ferociously to your position, despite what the word is clearly saying??

The Word is clearly saying when we believe on the Word we are born of the Spirit .... It's an open invitation ... if we abide in His Word, He will abide in us ... A promise is a promise despite the context .... it's applicable in every situation .... are we to only preach this passage in the context of the Laodicean church ... imagine if this was the measure in preaching and teaching.

[SDG]

Now the Samarians are rank sinners while they awaited Peter and John to lay hands on them... I thought their sins were washed away....???

Furthermore, there are examples of conversions of sinners and no tongues what say ye ....??? I ask this because ... when did they become His??? No evidence of a set pattern of Holy Ghost filling? Why not?

It's hilarious that you guys call plausible explanations evasiveness .... non-answers ... it's disingenuous.

And you still haven't responded directly to the acts 8 and Acts 19 examples that directly undercut your PCI position .

Then again, if you actually think, or claim, Rev 3:20 applies to sinners seeking salvation, you show just how off you are scripturally. That right there shows you have no real credibility on this. Of course, you'd never admit you're wrong on that passage, even though its been made clear to you that you're off. Your'e so in love with your PCI doctrine that you'll cling to it relentlessly.

[SDG]

Dan, who is he talking to, and what is he talking about? Is he not taking to a lukewarm church that needs to repent?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION DOCTRINE.

Now repenting is a one stop ... good for all time step??

Repenting, no matter when it's done, has nothing to w/ salvation doctrine?

Are Once Saved, Always Saved?

Repentance is a lifestyle ... a turning to God ... that goes beyond your 2 minute altar call

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Revelation 3 does alone. ... in conjuction to the other verses listed .... faith goes hand-in-hand w/ repentance ... AFTER COMMANDING REPENTANCE he said if ANYONE HEARS MY VOICE [FAITH COMETH BY HEARING ... HEARING THE WORD] .... THEN I WILL COME IN [INDWELL] AND EAT WITH HIM AND HE WITH ME.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Dan, you're not rightly dividing the word of God. Who is Jesus speaking to when he says he is standing at the door and knocking? The church of Laodicea who are believers not unbelievers.

Mizpeh, who does "anyone" include? or better yet, who does it exclude?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

UM ... who is ANYONE?? that's what the verse says ... not anyone in the church of Laodicea .... anyone!!!!! Of course he was addressing the church but the anyone is anyone ... generic anyone. Like open invitation anyone.

This not speaking to believers .... cop out holds no water in the light that y'all use Epistles to support your doctrines too ...

That's one scripture ... would you like another one?

Sure it says 'anyone' but you are taking it out of context. The context is Jesus is speaking to the seven CHURCHES in Asia. To read it the way you want it, you have to literally read it as a rebuke to a church, then an altar call to the sinner, and then an encouragement to the church that was just rebuked. The way you read it is like Jesus is arbitrarily interjecting something which doesn't fit with the context. Either Jesus is rebuking a church or He is reaching out to sinners.

You are not the only one to take that verse out of context.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

JRoc, how old were you when you first spoke in tongues? Are you saying you went through 16 years of accountability after repentance before you spoke in tongues? Are you Dan's age now?

I was about 22...I'm 8 months older than Dan.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

UM ... who is ANYONE?? that's what the verse says ... not anyone in the church of Laodicea .... anyone!!!!! Of course he was addressing the church but the anyone is anyone ... generic anyone. Like open invitation anyone.

This not speaking to believers .... cop out holds no water in the light that y'all use Epistles to support your doctrines too ...

That's one scripture ... would you like another one?

Ok, I see you addressed the "anyone" part...so I jumped the gun here not realizing it was presented already.