Well, the Bible would put them in hell, if they can't repent, wouldn't it?
I don't think so. Only God knows the capacity of ones heart to recieve. I firmly believe babies, children, and those with diminished or underdeveloped mental capacity rest in the arms of God.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
I don't think so. Only God knows the capacity of ones heart to recieve. I firmly believe babies, children, and those with diminished or underdeveloped mental capacity rest in the arms of God.
Got scripture?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
See why hold on to something that does not hold up to life not everyone has the ability to speak so therefore they could not speak in tongues and yes you are right tstew not everyone has the mental ability to be able to repent so why hold on to something so tightly when god does not do that why hold on to tongues and repentance it all boils down to the blood jesus knew there would be people born with disabilities to not be able to repent and speak in tongues so why say the inital evedence of the holyghost is tongues. Someone who quotes this put alot of people in hell just because the cannot speak...
I've been thinking about just simply convincing myself that I do believe like I used to. However, it's a revelation I am having a hard time shaking.
To move again seems asinine to me-- I just got here, I like it here, God is with me here!
Why do I have to screw things up with my crazy thinking!
At the altar when I pray for folks, I pray that the Lord confirms their salvation, "just like You did in the Bible...."
I pray, "satan you can't have this soul", "there is power in the Name of Jesus", "call on the Name of Jesus", and other such heartfelt prayers and declarations mingled with praise, worship and tongue talking. I feel strong when I pray for others.
But I get convicted when I pray, "God fill them with the Holy Ghost!" when I am really praying for God to allow them to speak in tongues. In my mind, there is a difference.
The last time I prayed that way I just removed myself from the crowd and stopped praying.
I am glad I am where I am.
I am beginning to think that I am the one who needs to change and so I pray that for myself because I want the Lord to use me, in a mightier way. I want sinners to be converted. I want backsliders to return. I want God's people to be strengthened and encouraged whenever I speak, sing, or worship.
Is there any denomination/organization whose adherents believe that there organization is dosctrinally perfect?
Couldn't I continue to thrive in the Lord in a denomination whose doctrine may be just a little flawed, in my opinion?
Or am I just setting myself up for failure in the future?
Act 8:14 And the apostles in Jerusalem hearing that Samaria had received the Word of God, they sent Peter and John to them; Act 8:15 who when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. Act 8:16 For as yet He had not fallen on any of them, they were baptized only in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 8:17 Then they laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
IF someone does not know or think they are filled or have been yet, I see no problem with praying for them.
BTW the ancient methodists....followers of Wesley, had a practice of seeking the Lord for a salvation experience to confirm their converstion. They tarried and many spoke in tongues as a result. This was before Topeka
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Sure, 2 Samuel 12:23
But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
But more importantly, I think it is congruent with the nature of God himself. He is just and we can rest assured that "Judge of all the earth will do right" Gen. 18:25
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Prax how can someone be born and not be able to speak to confirm their conversion I don't care when it started I just wish the whole initial evidence thing would dissappear cause it cannot be possible for everyone...
Sure, 2 Samuel 12:23
But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
But more importantly, I think it is congruent with the nature of God himself. He is just and we can rest assured that "Judge of all the earth will do right" Gen. 18:25
I don't have the mental capacity to believe a lot of the Bible. Guess I'm safe!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Prax how can someone be born and not be able to speak to confirm their conversion I don't care when it started I just wish the whole initial evidence thing would dissappear cause it cannot be possible for everyone...
So you want to throw away part of the Bible because someone was born with a birth defect whether genetic, drug or alcohol related?
The sins of the father, if it's drug or alcohol related, are not visited on the children. God isn't going to hold that against them.
I've seen and heard deaf/mute people speak in tongues. It's guttural, but you can hear it.
You aren't going to figure out what God is doing, no matter how hard to try to fit Him and His ways in a box.
I am not talking about a deaf/mute and I serierously don't think guttural is tongues I am talking about someone that cannot talk period I am not talking about alcohol or any other substance I am talknig about real life if you say that you have to have the holyspirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues to be saved then how can someone that cannot speak be saved. Like tstew said earlier what about the ones that cannot repent also. What I am talking about is not drug or alcohol related..
I am not talking about a deaf/mute and I serierously don't think guttural is tongues I am talking about someone that cannot talk period I am not talking about alcohol or any other substance I am talknig about real life if you say that you have to have the holyspirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues to be saved then how can someone that cannot speak be saved. Like tstew said earlier what about the ones that cannot repent also. What I am talking about is not drug or alcohol related..
It doesn't matter whether it's drug or alcohol related. Even if it is a genetic defect, you aren't going to change the prophesy, plan or Word of God.
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