The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 8

Neck · #71 03-30-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

(Re: the bolded/underlined)

I think I know quite a few people who are doing the same!

So... help me out here.

My husband believes. He earns an honest living. He takes care of his family. He doesn't hurt anyone. He does not go to church. He does not have a relationship with God. He likes to drink a few times a week. He chews tobacco. He loves his family. He does not lie nor cheat.

Saved or not Saved?

I will take the opposite approach and answer your question with a thought, "There will be many that we thought met all the steps and looked to have lived a perfect Christian life". When the pages get turned their name will not be found in the book. Your husbands life is not over and his experience with Christ may be more than you are able to see, when you are looking through the eyes of a preconceived belief system. It is all in the hands of God...

Jason B · #72 03-30-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

"Notice what large letters I use as I write these closing words in my own handwriting. Those who are trying to force you to be circumcised are doing it for just one reason. They don't want to be persecuted for teaching that the cross of Christ alone can save."

Galatians 6:11-12 NLT

These things really hit me today as I read this today:
1) The cross of Christ alone can save.
2) If we add one thing at all to the saving power of the cross, we can add anything. When does it stop?
3) Among all the debates as to how many steps there are to salvation, we seem to miss the fact that the only step that matters is the step taken by Christ on the cross.
4) There clearly is a cost to pay if one teaches that the cross of Christ alone can save.

amen

Jeffrey · #73 03-30-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Pel,
Acts had already got a hold of them all before it was written. They were the beginning. What is the big deal of when Acts was written? How to continue, the letters from Paul, would have served them more.

The Epistles are addressed to established churches. Logically, we would figure that out.

And, if it were me, I would read Luke's letter - Acts 1:2 "Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:" I would want to start at the point of when Jesus was taken up and check out this Holy Ghost, when it occurred, what was involved.

I love how a story becomes a systematic theology.

Of course it matters.

Pressing-On · #74 03-30-2010, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Sorry... responding in bold is easier for me.

Well, it isn't easier for me. I guess I have to stop talking to you. I'm starting to get annoyed with all the work you are placing on me. LOL!

I'm not dragging your text down this time. Now you have to figure out which comments I am responding to.

Yes, Romans is a continuation. - Romans 1:7 "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."

No one sees this as the theme of Acts? Okay, Jeffery. LOL!

I wasn't raided UPC, so I have no traditional loyalties.

Pressing-On · #75 03-30-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

Just because 3 men at the alter tell you to repeat words after them in a speed manner and they then tell you that you spoke in tongues does not make you spirit filled either, we shall know them by their fruits...

Neck,
I love you, man, but I don't have any bitter stories to relate. LOL!

Fiyahstarter · #76 03-30-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

I will take the opposite approach and answer your question with a thought, "There will be many that we thought met all the steps and looked to have lived a perfect Christian life". When the pages get turned their name will not be found in the book. Your husbands life is not over and his experience with Christ may be more than you are able to see, when you are looking through the eyes of a preconceived belief system. It is all in the hands of God...

Thanks, Neck. Nice thoughts.

I'll tell you this, my husband is a lot nicer than many of the "supposed" holy ghost filled people I know.

And to tell you more truth... I used to sit on bar stools with nicer people than some of the ones I sit with now in church pews.

Sad witness, huh?

Jeffrey · #77 03-30-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, it isn't easier for me. I guess I have to stop talking to you. I'm starting to get annoyed with all the work you are placing on me. LOL!

I'm not dragging your text down this time. Now you have to figure out which comments I am responding to.

Yes, Romans is a continuation. - Romans 1:7 "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."

No one sees this as the theme of Acts? Okay, Jeffery. LOL!

I wasn't raided UPC, so I have no traditional loyalties.

I'm sorry, there is no book (Romans) that gives such an exhaustive description of salvation. That's not "continuation" language. He is writing to believers, explaining, in didactic, sometimes theological, and always descriptive terms of salvation-history. Nothing gets as exhaustive or as clear.

Pressing-On · #78 03-30-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Funniest thing I've read all day!

Girl, you know this is true! LOL!

Pressing-On · #79 03-30-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Thanks, Neck. Nice thoughts.

I'll tell you this, my husband is a lot nicer than many of the "supposed" holy ghost filled people I know.

And to tell you more truth... I used to sit on bar stools with nicer people than some of the ones I sit with now in church pews.

Sad witness, huh?

Drunks are always nice. Even those drunk in the Holy Ghost. I heard an elderly preacher say, "You don't need to get a divorce. You just need to get drunk!" Of course, he was speaking of being drunk in the Holy Ghost.

It is interesting that I attended a prayer conference recently. I honestly have never cared for camp meetings, etc. Just didn't want to deal with the people. I came to find out, for the first time, that the people who are actually praying are easier to get along with. Who would have thunk? LOL!

Totally different atmosphere. Only people that are serious about praying are going to show up at a prayer conference. What a peaceful place and peaceful people. I have a whole new perspective! LOL!

mizpeh · #80 03-30-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Probably anything you needed to know about our initial salvation and the promise of God would be in Acts. I never said "exhaustive". The Epistles elaborate even more and cement what is taught in Acts, IMO.

Again, I was speaking of our initial salvation. We know that we cannot be saved without continuing in the faith. The Epistles show us more.

Luke tells a whole lot about what do to. Goodness, are you kidding me?

How ridiculous for you to call me insecure and dishonest to the core. Puleeze, stop being so ridiculous. LOL!

I think your good friend, Jeffrey, believes Peter and Paul taught different ways of salvation because of Luke's emphasis. Did Paul preach any thing different than what Peter preached in Acts 2? See Galatians 1 and 2.

What I'm trying to say is that Peter and Paul preached the same message. They did not disagree on the message. Paul may have not been quoted by Luke as preaching Acts 2:38 VERBATIM but we can see that Paul taught the same things.....believers were baptized in water immediately and filled with the Spirit with the evidence of speaking with other tongues. The message had to be the same since their is only one gospel and one faith that was once delivered to the saints.