Is It Wrong To Call Jesus Yeshua?

[Michael The Disciple]

No Calif

Actually THIS is the first thing you said after reading my first post where I was teaching a Oneness message.

Why not just call him Jesus?

So you did not ask why I did you asked me to just call him Jesus. Amen? But I never started THIS thread until several others came and forbad me to say Yeshua.

The next post you said:

Using the name in your language is what is proper.
In English Jesus is the proper name.
In Spanish, Jesús is the proper name.

Most "Apostolics" would say you must use Iésous (Jesus) because that is the only recordings by the Apostles that was used, for they wrote in Greek not Hebrew.

That is my humble opinion.

So yes you did challenge me and I was not even teaching about that.

Mike Blumes first answer was the proper one simply acknowledging Yeshua as our Father, brother, ect.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by NorCal

Yeah, all I did was wonder why he was using Yeshua and not Jesus. Suddenly he was on the defense.

I never meant to cause a huge debate. :-(

In my opinion, it just leads to the thought of people proclaiming that Jesus is not the proper name to be baptized in. That is usually the "Yeshua Crowd" that state that.

My second opinion was that there was not 100% hard proof that Yeshua was the actual name (although Prax brought up some good points), but that we have 100% HARD PROOF that he was called Jesus (English translation of Latin translated from Greek).

It was never to attack him for using that. I think I even posted a long list of names, pronunciation, and translations of what it could be.

Technically, could you not be Baptized in the name of Jehovah, since it is the root meaning of Jesus (Jehovah Saves)?

couldnt you be baptized in the Name of Joshua as well since it is the american translation from yehoshua. food for thought there as well

also both hebrew names are also progressive, meaning they have changed over time as well.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The Bible says the Jews spoke Hebrew. The only question that could be asked beyond that is the Hebrew they wrote of in scripture pure Hebrew or a mix of Aramaic Hebrew.

Actually, it never explicitly states that "the Jews spoke Hebrew." When Paul testified of being "shown the light" on the road to Damascus however, he does state that the voice he heard spoke in the "Hebrew tongue." The words of Jesus on the cross ("eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani..."Mark 15:34) are in fact Aramaic, while Matthew's same quote (eli, eli, lama sabachthani..." Matthew 24:46) is generally considered to be a more formal construction of Hebrew.

Both Aramaic and Hebrew are cognates of the same root language and thus speakers of one language could understand another with varying degrees of ease.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

And btw my mention of the name of the Messiah being holy has noting to do with just that it was Hebrew. His name is holy because of who he is.

Some have forgotten.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

I hear that. And, I don't disparage your use of "Yeshua" - it's somewhat archaic to many folks and unfamiliar to others. I suspect that is why you might encounter some folks raising their hackles when they see it used. It is simply unfamiliar or they have seen others who attached their own unique theological baggage to it.

Once, when I worked at the PPH, someone from the "Yahwist" sect of Oneness believers stuffed their tracks in just about every book in the bookstore. When I arrived for work that afternoon after classes I was tasked with collecting all of the tracks. A rather tedious and boring assignment. But, these guys believed that in order to "remit sins" baptism had to be in the name of "Yeshua" and not "Jesus." They took the lame "Three Step" into even lamer directions, imho.

You certainly don't insist that everyone call you "Mikha'el."

[Michael The Disciple]

Pelathias

Both Aramaic and Hebrew are cognates of the same root language and thus speakers of one language could understand another with varying degrees of ease.

Bingo!

Yes I realize the danger of the extreme sacred name groups. Practically all of them have embraced law keeping. Yet despite that the teaching of the original name has penetrated into many Christian denominations and sects. You can tune into most any kind of group today and hear Yeshua or some close version of it.

I think its all leading to something predicted for the coming Kingdom of God.

14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Zecheriah 14:8-9

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Pelathias



Bingo!

Yes I realize the danger of the extreme sacred name groups. Practically all of them have embraced law keeping. Yet despite that the teaching of the original name has penetrated into many Christian denominations and sects. You can tune into most any kind of group today and hear Yeshua or some close version of it.

I think its all leading to something predicted for the coming Kingdom of God.

14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Zecheriah 14:8-9

Personally I don't see "multiple names" at play simply because there is different pronunciation in various languages.

I think that's the bottom line... if someone sees it as another name, or a different name it's problematic from them and I both.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I think its all leading to something predicted for the coming Kingdom of God.

14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Zecheriah 14:8-9

Nah.. that view is off bases, personally when we all come under one tounge there will be one name. But if you wanna look at it like you do i would suggest if anything one would think it would be the greek name.

cause God specifically wanted the new testament in Greek, if not it would have been written in hebrew.

i have ran into people who tell me Jesus is a pagan name, i have also ran into the black hebrew israelites, which to me is nothing but a cult gang, and they all use the older hebrew.

however i shouldnt stop you from using the name yeshua cause i dont prefer to, I prefer Jesus myself cause this is His name in my english.

just as its pronounced different in mexico etc etc.

[UnTraditional]

Jesus or Yehshua, same God, same person.

In English, I am William, but in Spanish, soy Guillermo. Two different pronunciations from two different languages of the same name.

[Norman]

I haven't read the previous 8 pages, but I have done some study on this name thing, and the important thing in Bible times was the meaning of a name. Differences in pronunciation did exist back then. I don't see the point in making a big deal out of it.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Jesus or Yehshua, same God, same person.

In English, I am William, but in Spanish, soy Guillermo. Two different pronunciations from two different languages of the same name.

and I would imagine you are also Bill or Billy to some in English and Beel to some in Spanish.
but you are still the same person.

[Sam]

In my opinion......
I'll post this then duck..........

His name in English for this dispensation is Jesus.
If we baptize someone and use words like Father, or Lord, or Son, or Savior, or Christ or Holy Ghost in addition to or in place of "Jesus" I'm sure God knows what the name is.

In the online 1545 Luther Bible it is Jesus.
In my 1611 King James Bible it is Iesus.
In the online Danish Bible it is Jesus.
In the online Haitian Creole Bible it is Jezi.
In the 1960 Reina Valera (Spanish) Bible it is JESÚS
In the French online Bible it is Jésus.
In the online Croatian Bible it is Isus.
In the Hungarian online Bible it is Jézusnak.
In the online Icelandic Bible it is Jesú.
In an online Italian Bible it is Gesù.
In an online Maori Bible it is IHU.
In an online Macedonian Bible it is Исус.
In a Norwegian online Bible it is Jesus.
In an online Portuguese Bible it is Jesus.
In an online Romanian Bible it is Isus.
In an online Russian Bible it is Иисус.
In an online Swahili Bible it is Yesu.
In an online Tagalog Bible it is Jesus.
In an online Ukrainian Bible it is Ісус.
In my CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) it is Yeshua.
In my OJB (Orhodox Jewish Bible) it is Yehoshua.
Some of these are spelled the same way as in my King James Bible but I doubt if they are pronounced the same.
If I call on the Lord using any of these different versions of His name, I'm sure He'd understand and answer but He would probably be wondering why I was using that specific version of His name when the rest of my prayer is in English and when I ordinarily talk to Him it is in English.