How involved is God? - Page 8

Nitehawk013 · #71 11-18-2011, 10:38 AM

Me neither. I don't think Christ would have literally spoke n 2x as much about hell as any other subject if it weren't serious thing. Seems like he wasted His time if in the end no one really goes there except for maybe a few minutes until they repent.

Timmy · #72 11-18-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I've talked to a UR proponent that had several degrees and was intelligent,but I can't see it myself.

Aside from which one (if either) is true, which view do you like better, of these two: Universal Reconciliation or Eternal Torment? Which would you choose, if it were up to you?

riverslivnwtr · #73 11-18-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

OK. So the punishment that most of us will get will be because of our nature. The way we are. The way we were born.

Jesus said, you must be born again..
Paul said, if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, old things are past away , behold, all things are become new...

Peter said to believer's, "that we become partakers of his divine nature through the (Exceeding great and precious promises)" and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust...

John said whatsoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in him and he cannot sin , because he is born of God....

There is a distinction between that which born of God and the rest of the inhabitants of the earth.

riverslivnwtr · #74 11-18-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

stealing is wrong, it is not a sin.

O.o

it is not a sin when everything you do is sin..when a person is born in sin, they cannot improve or degrade any further as far as God is concerned..

they are headed for the dunghill ....

if a Christian steals he shall repay.

riverslivnwtr · #75 11-18-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Oh so we don't have free will then? Ok. Now I see it. If in the End God will force HIs will upon us (that all men be saved according to your UR doctrine) then we don't really have free will. We have to do what we are programmed to do and we have no say in the matter. Is that about right?

we have the illusion of free will.. yes..In america more so than any other at any time..except them Romans .. based upon wealth...
Well rich people have always lived under the illusion of free will..

but every person is born a slave since Cain.....and every person redeemed by the purchase price for sin is free of slavery to sin....Then you have that choice everyday.

Timmy · #76 11-18-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by riverslivnwtr

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John said whatsoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in him and he cannot sin , because he is born of God....

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Was he right? Are you "born of God"?

aegsm76 · #77 11-18-2011, 01:26 PM

I am late to the discussion, but based on the Broncos game last night God is very involved!

Scott Hutchinson · #78 11-18-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Aside from which one (if either) is true, which view do you like better, of these two: Universal Reconciliation or Eternal Torment? Which would you choose, if it were up to you?

It's not up to me.Personally I don't the idea of the wicked being punished.

People were destroyed when the flood came,it's not my call.