My pastor's wife had broidered hair?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi

Since you don't like the KJV.

As I stated in my first post:

1. The womens hair is a veil.

No it's not! You stated it yes. But I stated it is not.

2. The womens hair is not to be braided.
3. The womens hair is not to be plaited.

Not true

If you braid the womens hair which is a veil, it can no longer cover her head.

It's not a veil. It's a covering.

the head is the skull

Paul states that if the women is not covered, she should be shorn or shaven.

I Corinthians 11:15

Knox Bible (KNOX)
15 when a woman grows her hair long, it is an added grace to her? That is because her hair has been given her to take the place of a veil.

Bad translation

NET bible commentary

No word for veil or head covering occurs in 1Co_11:3-14 (see the note on authority in 1Co_11:10). That the hair is regarded by Paul as a covering in 1Co_11:15 is not necessarily an argument that the hair is the same as the head covering that he is describing in the earlier verses (esp. 1Co_11:10). Throughout this unit of material, Paul points out the similarities of long hair with a head covering. But his doing so seems to suggest that the two are not to be identified with each other. Precisely because they are similar they do not appear to be identical (cf. 1Co_11:5; 1Co_11:6; 1Co_11:7; 1Co_11:10; 1Co_11:13). If head covering = long hair, then what does 1Co_11:6 mean ("For if a woman will not cover her head, she should cut off her hair")? This suggests that the covering is not the same as the hair itself.

1 Peter 3:3

Knox Bible (KNOX)
3 Your beauty must lie, not in braided hair, not in gold trinkets, not in the dress you wear,

So don't braid, wear god or a dress? Gotcha!

I Timothy 2:9

Knox Bible (KNOX)
9 So, too, with the women; they are to dress themselves modestly and with restraint in befitting attire; no plaited hair, no gold ornaments, or pearls, or rich clothes;

1Ti 2:9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,


Once again this was not speaking of braids but intertwining the hair with gold and other costly materials in elaborate hair styles and has nothing to do with what Paul spoke of in 1Cor

What is being taught is that women should not set their focus on the outward appearance but the inner woman of the heart in character

Peter wasn't saying women should go naked. He was saying don't let your adorning be only that outward

1Pe 3:3 Do not let your adorning be external--the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or the putting on of clothing--
1Pe 3:4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.
1Pe 3:5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their husbands,

[AreYouReady?]

So...let me see if I can try to decifer what you are trying to say here.

Your wife trimmed her hair and the church you attended mistreated her because of it.

You want to know why they did so when the pastor's wife braided or twisted her hair into an updo and arranged her hair on top of her head elaborately.

Your wife is hurt over the maltreatment.

In other words, why did they pick out a few verses in the bible to torment her while they overlook other verses of scripture that could be pertained to elaborate hairstyles on the rest of the women?

Would this sum it up or is there more to it?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi

Yes, That pretty much sums it up.

The ONLY thing that saves us or can make us right in the sight of our wonderful Father, is the sacrifice that Christ made for us on the cross.

Praise His Name, Jesus!

Good. Now that we identified what the problem really is, I think that Ms. Cindy's advice below is great.

Originally Posted by Cindy

Sir, if you and your wife have forgiven the Pastor and are still living for God. You are studying scripture for yourself, then you are doing well.

Paul was teaching about the custom of that particular area and time. The worldly ladies were arranging elaborate hairstyles with jewels entwined within them. That is what broidered meant. It still covered the head. But he was teaching for Godly women to keep their hairstyles simple, and not to do as was the customs of that time and place.

Many of us have been hurt by legalisms in Christ's church. We feel betrayed because we come to Christ not realizing that there are men and women who think that they are doing good by laying down rules and bylaws, but their well meaning intentions end up hurting a lot of people because of control issues. When we come to Christ, we are looking for salvation that came from the Cross and the shed blood of Jesus Christ. We support that local assembly with our finances. We volunteer our time to help others find a place to be welcomed in. But there comes a time when we realize that there is no point in legalism. It is not greater than the Cross and we don't understand why others cannot see that.

There is a period of time that we need to take, to work through that hurt after we leave an abusive local assembly. But don't let others steal what you have in Christ because of their carnality. Keep on studying the Bible. Keep on living for Christ and He will lead you and guide you into what He specifically wants you and your wife to do for Him.

Sometimes God leads people out of a particular local assembly to do a work that He knows the local assembly cannot do. There might be people out there who would never step foot in an Apostolic church for whatever reason they may have, but God can send people to them to reach them.

Peace and blessings to you and your wife. Be of good cheer as long as your heart is honest towards Christ and the Holy Spirit.

[Wang Mo Shi]

Thank You so much for your kind words of enchouragement, and support. We have been blessed to find a wonderful church to be part of, and they really have the victory.

But I really appreciate your response, and may God Bless You.

[AreYouReady?]

That is great news Wang Mo Shi! You and your wife go and be a blessing to your church and your community.

[Atlas]

As far as I can see, the point that Wang is trying to make is that any kind of hairdo is the same as cutting your hair if you are a female. Even if he is correct in his assertion that do's and cutting are the same, and that disobeying either directive is wrong, why did his wife cut her hair? I mean, it is a serious enough issue to come on here and argue about and to make this big of a fuss over, then surely she has stopped trimming her hair and wears it down...right?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Atlas

As far as I can see, the point that Wang is trying to make is that any kind of hairdo is the same as cutting your hair if you are a female. Even if he is correct in his assertion that do's and cutting are the same, and that disobeying either directive is wrong, why did his wife cut her hair? I mean, it is a serious enough issue to come on here and argue about and to make this big of a fuss over, then surely she has stopped trimming her hair and wears it down...right?

Atlas... did he post that his wife cut her hair? *shrugs*

[Atlas]

Seriously, the argument is, my pastor's wife was wrong, too, so my wife, while wrong, is no more wrong than she was...seems self-defeating. I don't plan on using other people's lives to determine whether I am average enough or not. Sounds very judgmental to me

[Steve Epley]

If you wife is still cutting her hair she is in violation of the edict given in 1Cor.11.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you wife is still cutting her hair she is in violation of the edict given in 1Cor.11.

False doctrine.