Acts 8:14 - Page 9

SDG · #81 04-30-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Jesus had been preaching repentance and new birth before his death and Peter heard Him.

You are right ... then it cannot be as prescribed as the PAJCers ... Tongues or Hell ... especially if he was given the keys prior to speaking in tongues

SDG · #82 04-30-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by josh

I will. I don't mind putting my belief out for public ridicule. You have yet to offer your thoughts.

If you don't care to...then that's fine. I understand that it's far easier to be an opponent than a proponent.

Here's my theory ... it is what it is .. Josh ... Mizpeh gave evidence that he was not alone ... or somehow the missing link.

SDG · #83 04-30-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

On a side note, I would suggest that "for behold, the kingdom" etc is actually a continuation of the hypothetical quote, belonging to "lo here, lo there".

In other words, I think Jesus was saying the time would come when people might incorrectly claim the kingdom of God had arrived (via the Messiah's presence) and was present in a particular city or locale. Thus, people might be saying "behold! Here (or there) the kingdom of God is within you" ie within your gates.

The punctuation in the AV is not inspired, and this alternative reading actually makes more sense. Otherwise, we have Jesus telling the hypocritical Pharisees that the kingdom of God was within them (not "among them" as some try to suggest.) Just my opinion, though.

So ... Jesus proclaimed that the kingdom of God was within them .. before Pentecost????

Kutless · #84 04-30-2007, 01:43 PM

so I guess it would be OK to assume that in Samaria during this substantial revival that Peter laid his hands on everyone?

SDG · #85 04-30-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kutless

so I guess it would be OK to assume that in Samaria during this substantial revival that Peter laid his hands on everyone?

Why naturally ....

Kutless · #86 04-30-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kutless

so I guess it would be OK to assume that in Samaria during this substantial revival that Peter laid his hands on everyone?

Is this question not deep enough?

SDG · #87 04-30-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kutless

I may be guilty of being to literal here but no where in this particular passage does it say or indicate that Peter acted alone.

vs. 14.......they sent for Peter and John

vs. 15......they both prayed for an infilling

vs. 17 they both laid theor hands on them

John must of gotten the keys too ... but when???

Kutless · #88 04-30-2007, 03:43 PM

did receiving the HG really rest in the hands of another individual? This definitely sounds a bit contradictory??

I am told that possibly Peter and John were simply following the Jewish tradition that required the laying on of hands by the synagogue leaders in order to appoint new leaders. Simon was not offering money for the power to impart tongues. He was offering money to be appointed a leader in the new church to be able to appoint other leaders.

4th century popes paying for their positions ring a bell to anyone?

Ya think that Peter, John, and even Paul had a hard time breaking from Jewish traditions?

SDG · #89 04-30-2007, 03:45 PM

[quote=Kutless;93345]did receiving the HG really rest in the hands of another individual? This definitely sounds a bit contradictory??
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Ding ... ding ..ding.... we have a winner .... even water baptism rests in the hands of the another individual ... in the minds of some.

Pastor Keith · #90 04-30-2007, 03:47 PM

They had a incomplete experience so much so, that the Apostles were need to help their experience line up with the normative intiation.