Yes, of course. Jesus died the most horrific death on the cross, shed His blood for our sins, but it only works if we say juuussstt the right words at the moment of baptism.
Good grief.
And don't even think about what happens if part of you doesn't quite get submerged.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Your baptism was invoked by a man with a speech impediment, and I'm not sure if you used the magic words. Oh, and your stammering lips didn't quite make it too tongues. SOOOOOOOOOO close. (In my Office Space voice: Yeeaaahhhh....)
Isn't that CRAZY??? But that's what they basically say!!! "Aw dang it, you missed just my a nip. Burn in hell forever. Shucks."
And don't even think about what happens if part of you doesn't quite get submerged.
You posted the "toofunny" thing but I was taught in bible school that I had to do whatever it took to get every part of the person under water because failure to do so would result in that person being lost if they weren't re-baptized.
The sarcasam is rather thick, imo. Not that I'm above such things, however, I usually reserve that for things like politicians and my husband...j/k...about the politicians...j/k again!
The Word says obedience is better than sacrifice. We're to "obey" the gospel, there must be something we actually have to do to obey.
If the Apostles thought it necessary to obey, if Jesus Himself obeyed and was baptized how can we possibly do anything less.
Jesus said those who believe and are baptized shall be saved.
He gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom, he preached the Gospel then when asked what to do about that he told them.
More examples follow in the Book of Acts and yet that doesn't seem to be enough....go figure.
The sarcasam is rather thick, imo. Not that I'm above such things, however, I usually reserve that for things like politicians and my husband...j/k...about the politicians...j/k again!
The Word says obedience is better than sacrifice. We're to "obey" the gospel, there must be something we actually have to do to obey.
If the Apostles thought it necessary to obey, if Jesus Himself obeyed and was baptized how can we possibly do anything less.
Jesus said those who believe and are baptized shall be saved.
He gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom, he preached the Gospel then when asked what to do about that he told them.
More examples follow in the Book of Acts and yet that doesn't seem to be enough....go figure.
Let's see, you're the one who complimented Coadie, right? Thought so.
Man, I think you're way off on this. Do you have examples of OP groups that believe in salvation at repentance/faith? I don't know of any.
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
NOW, I actually think there are many OP orgs that aren't 3-steppers. They are "second blessing" promoters.
You got it Jeffrey. Of all the ministers on Aff even, I think the majority will say that water and Spirit baptism follows conversion.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Let's see, you're the one who complimented Coadie, right? Thought so.
What's that suppose to mean? Because I am very conservative politically that makes my beliefs in the Word of God null and void?
That says more about you then me....(smiles nice)!
You posted the "toofunny" thing but I was taught in bible school that I had to do whatever it took to get every part of the person under water because failure to do so would result in that person being lost if they weren't re-baptized.
Man! You really were wacked out weren't you?
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Yes, of course. Jesus died the most horrific death on the cross, shed His blood for our sins, but it only works if we say juuussstt the right words at the moment of baptism.
Good grief.
preach it brother, its not about the faith of the person being baptized anymore its all about someone elses vocal chords
Soooooooooo, what.....we just all guess at it and hope we're right?
Noooooooo, we know the only way to be saved is repenting of our sins. Jesus shed His blood for us.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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