Loudness In Churches. - Page 9

RandyWayne · #81 11-17-2011, 12:39 PM

I've tried to listen to some sermons that a few hardcore UC's have recorded on various web sites and I actually get a sore throat just LISTENING to them shriek.

houston · #82 11-17-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

We do the music in a church that used to be more bluegrass oriented before we came and we have the same folks that complain every week about the noise. They'll say it's too loud and we'll do nothing and during service we'll get a thumbs up.

The deal is that they come in during practice when the church is empty and it's too loud they say but when the church fills up... it fits. But... every single week we go through the same thing.

Now... those who aren't on the complaining committee get with us and we have some wonderful moves of God. We have a group of young people who love God... give Him all their praise and know how to follow the spirit in a service and we have some amazing moves in the services.

But... next week... there will be a knock at the pastors office door again. And the next week... and the next week... and the next week...

This has been for nearly 2 years now.

I'll take care of them for ya.

Cindy · #83 11-17-2011, 01:23 PM

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I'll take care of them for ya.

Pilgrum · #84 11-17-2011, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Pilgrum View Post
Bingo!

One way or another we will have a move of God, God willing (or not). And if things aren't moving enough we'll pull out one of those songs that always seems to "shake the foundations" and get her done. Except eventually the "super get her going songs" get old and don't have the same effect. They get over used and familiar so we have to keep a steady influx of new songs to replace the tired worn out ones. Whew, it takes a lot of work and effort to keep the Holy Ghost moving. You know you can't have moves of the Spirit without a steady flow of new music and hundreds of hours of practice by the "worship team." And if you're a small church, well you're handicapped right away because you can't yet afford an earth shaking sound system with computer projected lyrics. Welcome to the show.

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Originally Posted by Dagwood

I hope you're being sarcastic with the statement bolded above. I'll let you respond before commenting further...

Yes I was. The way many church services go you can get that impression. I think a lot of what goes on in churches does more to impress people and jack up their emotions than anything else. It becomes a production. Those that put on the best production attract the biggest audiences. We can certainly put a lot of effort into trying to impress God but what really matters is the sincerity of the heart. Some may sincerely express themselves in a loud boisterous way. However no one should declare that that is the only way to touch God. Others touch God in a more quiet reserved way because they are doing it from a sincere heart. Yet they too should not declare that that is the way to move God. Christians are too quick to judge and compare among themselves. We are all unique with different personalities.

Dagwood · #85 11-17-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilgrum View Post
Bingo!

One way or another we will have a move of God, God willing (or not). And if things aren't moving enough we'll pull out one of those songs that always seems to "shake the foundations" and get her done. Except eventually the "super get her going songs" get old and don't have the same effect. They get over used and familiar so we have to keep a steady influx of new songs to replace the tired worn out ones. Whew, it takes a lot of work and effort to keep the Holy Ghost moving. You know you can't have moves of the Spirit without a steady flow of new music and hundreds of hours of practice by the "worship team." And if you're a small church, well you're handicapped right away because you can't yet afford an earth shaking sound system with computer projected lyrics. Welcome to the show.

Yes I was. The way many church services go you can get that impression. I think a lot of what goes on in churches does more to impress people and jack up their emotions than anything else. It becomes a production. Those that put on the best production attract the biggest audiences. We can certainly put a lot of effort into trying to impress God but what really matters is the sincerity of the heart. Some may sincerely express themselves in a loud boisterous way. However no one should declare that that is the only way to touch God. Others touch God in a more quiet reserved way because they are doing it from a sincere heart. Yet they too should not declare that that is the way to move God. Christians are too quick to judge and compare among themselves. We are all unique with different personalities.

Agreed! I will never, ever understand an atmosphere that's so loud, with so much thumping and bumping, one could literally feel their body about to explode. I suppose those atmospheres are only for the hard-hearing. Lord, help us all at that point.

I like shows and entertainment. But, when it comes to ushering in the presence of God, don't act a fool by showing out. I just laugh when I hear or see the phrase "God showed up and showed out!" Nothing but manufactured elements from a human's ability, instead of a genuine and divine visit from the Real Deal, Himself...

Jay · #86 11-17-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel48

I find it all very distracting, as a newcomer. Don't get me wrong, when my Pastor gets going, and gets ahold of me, it seems like he is screaming and talking to just me, all at the same time. But the loud praying in pre-service, that just happens to get louder when the Pastor walks thru the doors. The people who are yelling the same thing over, and over. That's distracting, not praying to me. The worship leader on the keyboard, playing over top of the Pastors teaching. Hello? How can he be listening? Is it not for him? It seems to become a battle of who can be the loudest, to gain the most attention from the Pastor, at any given time. That is distracting and impossible to learn anything through.

I have been in prayer rooms where the people pray loudly, and I have no problem with it (the Bible does use terms such as lift up your voice, cry aloud, shout), but if all they are doing is screaming, "JESUS," at the top of their lungs for half an hour, then they need to study prayer and learn that a single word most times does not a single prayer make, no matter how oft repeated.

Angel48 · #87 11-17-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

I have been in prayer rooms where the people pray loudly, and I have no problem with it (the Bible does use terms such as lift up your voice, cry aloud, shout), but if all they are doing is screaming, "JESUS," at the top of their lungs for half an hour, then they need to study prayer and learn that a single word most times does not a single prayer make, no matter how oft repeated.

That is what I mean. "HALLELUJAH" a thousand times is nothing but noise.
And if you're furiously pacing the sanctuary, your thoughts can not be on prayer. They are on avoiding a head on collision. These are the aspects that do not ring true to me. I want to believe in God- but why do so many people feel the need to "fake" it?

Jay · #88 11-17-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel48

That is what I mean. "HALLELUJAH" a thousand times is nothing but noise.
And if you're furiously pacing the sanctuary, your thoughts can not be on prayer. They are on avoiding a head on collision. These are the aspects that do not ring true to me. I want to believe in God- but why do so many people feel the need to "fake" it?

Hey! Watch it about the walking.

I do know what you mean, I sometimes pray best if I walk, and when I get with it, I can walk quickly. However, I also try to keep my mind on God, and surprisingly, as long as there are not too many other walkers, you can actually pray unhindered. I do not try this in large groups over much, or I stick to a small area, it helps with collisions (small children in unattended can still become a traffic hazard).

As for the way other people are praying, do not let their praying (or lack of it) distract you from your praying, and if you are noticing them, you need to redirect your focus (no criticism from me as I have to tell myself that if I am not careful, it takes time and prayer to tune others out). What you can do is learn from them, and people who you know are truly praying. I determined very early that I did not want to be a 3 word wonder saying, "Jesus, Hallelujah, Glory," constantly. I instead attempted to pray like my father or my favorite Sunday School teacher, or the pastor's mother (she can pray). I eventually found my own way, and pray with as much power and passion as I can.

Digging4Truth · #89 11-18-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

I'll take care of them for ya.

Somehow I'm thinking the words "take 'em out" might fall into your plans.

We don't need any of that.

houston · #90 11-18-2011, 08:48 AM

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Somehow I'm thinking the words "take 'em out" might fall into your plans.

We don't need any of that.

Take em out...

...for coffee. Reason together. If they don't come to terms, oops, did I spill my hot coffee all over you? I'm an iced coffee guy, hot stuff just for the ocas... o-c-c-a... ocas... um, just for this meeting.