A thought on tithing

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Tithing (giving a 10th of one's income) is a Catholic doctrine from the Middle Ages. The biblical tithe was connected to the land of Israel (herds and crops). It was agrarian in nature. To teach that one must tithe a tenth of their income or go to Hell does violence to the Gospel and is essentially extortion.

Crops and herds in an agrarian was the currency. Do you get paid with crops and animals? You are paid with money that enables you to purchase food. Tithe is 10% of your increase, not income. I haven't read here anyone who says that if you don't tithe you go to hell. There are preachers who do and I don't agree with that.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Crops and herds in an agrarian was the currency. Do you get paid with crops and animals? You are paid with money that enables you to purchase food. Tithe is 10% of your increase, not income. I haven't read here anyone who says that if you don't tithe you go to hell. There are preachers who do and I don't agree with that.

Now this is very true.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Crops and herds in an agrarian was the currency. Do you get paid with crops and animals? You are paid with money that enables you to purchase food. Tithe is 10% of your increase, not income. I haven't read here anyone who says that if you don't tithe you go to hell. There are preachers who do and I don't agree with that.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Now this is very true.

Deut 14 shows us that Tithing was STRICTLY for crops and animals. Only when the place of worship was too far away were the Israelites allowed to convert the tithe to CURRENCY.

And then when they got to their destination, they were to buy crops and animals with their currency and then they (ISRAELITES) were to eat their tithes while not neglecting the levites.

Deut 14
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.
24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),
25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.
26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.
27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.


Haing said that, I believe in supporting FINANCIALLY (and any other means) those who preach the gospel according to 1 Cor 9, but this has nothing to do with tithe.

1 Cor 9
11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?
12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?
13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

In verse 13, Paul was not alluding to tithing in the OT. He was alluding to the sin offerings and burnt offerings, which the levites ATE after they (the levites) had performed the work of the sanctuary.

Just like the levites were allowed to eat the remains of the animals after performing sin offering and burnt offerings (which was a ministerial work), even so the Lord has ordained they whic the gospel should live off the gospel.

When it came to sin offerings and burnt offerings, only the levites ate the meat.
Lev 7
7 “‘The same law applies to both the sin offering[a] and the guilt offering: They belong to the priest who makes atonement with them.
8 The priest who offers a burnt offering for anyone may keep its hide for himself.
9 Every grain offering baked in an oven or cooked in a pan or on a griddle belongs to the priest who offers it,
10 and every grain offering, whether mixed with olive oil or dry, belongs equally to all the sons of Aaron.

1 Cor 9:13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar


When it came to tithe, the ISRAELITES were supposed to EAT THEIR OWN TITHES while sharing with the levites. Big difference. Proves that Paul never taught about tithe.
Deut 14:23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Deut 14 shows us that Tithing was STRICTLY for crops and animals. Only when the place of worship was too far away were the Israelites allowed to convert the tithe to CURRENCY.

And then when they got to their destination, they were to buy crops and animals with their currency and then they (ISRAELITES) were to eat their tithes while not neglecting the levites.

Deut 14
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.
24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),
25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.
26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.
27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.


Haing said that, I believe in supporting FINANCIALLY (and any other means) those who preach the gospel according to 1 Cor 9, but this has nothing to do with tithe.

1 Cor 9
11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?
12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?
13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

In verse 13, Paul was not alluding to tithing in the OT. He was alluding to the sin offerings and burnt offerings, which the levites ATE after they (the levites) had performed the work of the sanctuary.

Just like the levites were allowed to eat the remains of the animals after performing sin offering and burnt offerings (which was a ministerial work), even so the Lord has ordained they whic the gospel should live off the gospel.

When it came to sin offerings and burnt offerings, only the levites ate the meat.
Lev 7
7 “‘The same law applies to both the sin offering[a] and the guilt offering: They belong to the priest who makes atonement with them.
8 The priest who offers a burnt offering for anyone may keep its hide for himself.
9 Every grain offering baked in an oven or cooked in a pan or on a griddle belongs to the priest who offers it,
10 and every grain offering, whether mixed with olive oil or dry, belongs equally to all the sons of Aaron.

1 Cor 9:13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar


When it came to tithe, the ISRAELITES were supposed to EAT THEIR OWN TITHES while sharing with the levites. Big difference. Proves that Paul never taught about tithe.
Deut 14:23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always

You and Dave make very valid points with your opposing views. This is a great thread!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Deut 14 shows us that Tithing was STRICTLY for crops and animals. Only when the place of worship was too far away were the Israelites allowed to convert the tithe to CURRENCY.

And then when they got to their destination, they were to buy crops and animals with their currency and then they (ISRAELITES) were to eat their tithes while not neglecting the levites.

Deut 14
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.
24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),
25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.
26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.
27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.


Haing said that, I believe in supporting FINANCIALLY (and any other means) those who preach the gospel according to 1 Cor 9, but this has nothing to do with tithe.

1 Cor 9
11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?
12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?
13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

In verse 13, Paul was not alluding to tithing in the OT. He was alluding to the sin offerings and burnt offerings, which the levites ATE after they (the levites) had performed the work of the sanctuary.

Just like the levites were allowed to eat the remains of the animals after performing sin offering and burnt offerings (which was a ministerial work), even so the Lord has ordained they whic the gospel should live off the gospel.

When it came to sin offerings and burnt offerings, only the levites ate the meat.
Lev 7
7 “‘The same law applies to both the sin offering[a] and the guilt offering: They belong to the priest who makes atonement with them.
8 The priest who offers a burnt offering for anyone may keep its hide for himself.
9 Every grain offering baked in an oven or cooked in a pan or on a griddle belongs to the priest who offers it,
10 and every grain offering, whether mixed with olive oil or dry, belongs equally to all the sons of Aaron.

1 Cor 9:13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar


When it came to tithe, the ISRAELITES were supposed to EAT THEIR OWN TITHES while sharing with the levites. Big difference. Proves that Paul never taught about tithe.
Deut 14:23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Deut 14 shows us that Tithing was STRICTLY for crops and animals. Only when the place of worship was too far away were the Israelites allowed to convert the tithe to CURRENCY.

And then when they got to their destination, they were to buy crops and animals with their currency and then they (ISRAELITES) were to eat their tithes while not neglecting the levites.

Deut 14
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.
24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),
25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.
26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.
27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.


Haing said that, I believe in supporting FINANCIALLY (and any other means) those who preach the gospel according to 1 Cor 9, but this has nothing to do with tithe.

1 Cor 9
11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?
12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?
13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

In verse 13, Paul was not alluding to tithing in the OT. He was alluding to the sin offerings and burnt offerings, which the levites ATE after they (the levites) had performed the work of the sanctuary.

Just like the levites were allowed to eat the remains of the animals after performing sin offering and burnt offerings (which was a ministerial work), even so the Lord has ordained they whic the gospel should live off the gospel.

When it came to sin offerings and burnt offerings, only the levites ate the meat.
Lev 7
7 “‘The same law applies to both the sin offering[a] and the guilt offering: They belong to the priest who makes atonement with them.
8 The priest who offers a burnt offering for anyone may keep its hide for himself.
9 Every grain offering baked in an oven or cooked in a pan or on a griddle belongs to the priest who offers it,
10 and every grain offering, whether mixed with olive oil or dry, belongs equally to all the sons of Aaron.

1 Cor 9:13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar


When it came to tithe, the ISRAELITES were supposed to EAT THEIR OWN TITHES while sharing with the levites. Big difference. Proves that Paul never taught about tithe.
Deut 14:23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always

My question would be from I Cor 9. When it says that they who preach of the Gospel should "live" of the Gospel, it seems to imply more than just eating, IMO.

Dave pointed out that I Cor 9:14 says, "Even so", which means, in the Hebrew, "in this same way". The Levites didn't own property, and so they had to be housed, clothed and fed out of necessity. It just seems to cover more than eating.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Crops and herds in an agrarian was the currency. Do you get paid with crops and animals? You are paid with money that enables you to purchase food. Tithe is 10% of your increase, not income. I haven't read here anyone who says that if you don't tithe you go to hell. There are preachers who do and I don't agree with that.

Israel in the time of Christ was NOT a strictly barter economy. There are multiple verses, as well as written history, that show that money was a common form of currency. It is not accurrate to paint this picture of Israel int he time of CHrist as being a culture where they didn't use money and just offered services or crops/livestock for payment of things all the time. Therefore the idea that tithing was only in goods/livestock then but now it should be money only due to the change in common currency over time is not valid. Israelites could have easily paid the tithe in money, even back int he days of Abraham if they needed to, but the tithe given was simply NEVER meant to be money.

[AreYouReady?]

Yes, Aquila, that is quite true. But how does one impart that truth to those who think tithing is a NT command?

I guess that they think it is biblical to extort from people... ...

[Scott Hutchinson]

This explains it pretty plainly.
http://inyourbible.podcastpeople.com/posts/42687

[AreYouReady?]

Judgment, mercy and faith is not part of any economy. It is something that comes from the heart of one towards another.
Tithing is not a part of the NT, but of the OT of which Jesus held to until his death and resurrection. Jesus held to the law until the changing of the priesthood...and he was talking to the pharisees.