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View Poll Results: Would you be able to know?
Yes. I have that ability. 7 70.00%
No. I can't tell. 3 30.00%
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:03 PM
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Re: You find a piece of paper....

ya, apparently they're going to be. Good question, and all i got at the moment is that Abram struck dumb is a like a 'personal proof,' only applicable for Abram--to the rest of us, he could even have been faking it--v "miracles" which you seem to be alluding to, which we know are for the lost.
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Re: You find a piece of paper....

But hey, if you guys can tell, that's great. God has blessed you with supernatural power. Lucky you.
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If Abram had thought it through, he wouldn't think of it as proof. Thank God he didn't!
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ya, apparently they're going to be. Good question, and all i got at the moment is that Abram struck dumb is a like a 'personal proof,' only applicable for Abram--to the rest of us, he could even have been faking it--v "miracles" which you seem to be alluding to, which we know are for the lost.
Miracles are for the lost?
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:07 PM
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Re: You find a piece of paper....

definitely, c'mon. but I'll quote later, give frog the floor...
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Come to think of it, I couldn't really tell with 100% certainty that is wasn't a forgery. But in practical terms, I would just see the signature, and the content would be plausible as something she would write (easy to recognize her style ). I wouldn't normally have reason to suspect a forgery. Contrast that with all the claims of messages from God.
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how so?
Being struck dumb could have been from any number of causes. If he believed in devils, they could have done it as a false sign that the NT warns us about.

That's assuming it happened just as it says. It's a story. Someone wrote down a story that had likely been oral tradition for some decades, maybe centuries. There is no reason to think it is an accurate record of real events. Unless you are commanded to on penalty of death, maybe. Even a large number of Christians see most of those stories as allegory or fable, with an important lesson. They would say literalism missed the intended point.
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:11 PM
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hmm ya, i consider it more like mythology now, prolly embellished by men, but still containing truth that endured.
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Come to think of it, I couldn't really tell with 100% certainty that is wasn't a forgery. But in practical terms, I would just see the signature, and the content would be plausible as something she would write (easy to recognize her style ). I wouldn't normally have reason to suspect a forgery. Contrast that with all the claims of messages from God.
So basically you would:

1. Check to see if the letter was consistent with her other known writings

But doesn't that beg the question: how do you know the other writings were actually from her?

What I'm getting at is: Aren't you in the same quandry concerning a letter from your mother as those who can't say 100% for certain that a message is from God?
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So basically you would:

1. Check to see if the letter was consistent with her other known writings

But doesn't that beg the question: how do you know the other writings were actually from her?

What I'm getting at is: Aren't you in the same quandry concerning a letter from your mother as those who can't say 100% for certain that a message is from God?
In the most pedantic, technical way, yes. In practical terms, no. Not in the ballpark. I have seen and spoken with my mom, face to face. I know her handwriting. Most importantly, there is no reason to be wary of forgeries of her writing.
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