San Diego UPC Choir TEARS IT UP with Michael English and Mark Lowry

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

How in the world did this get from hurray! To all christian artists are fake, give me a stinkin' break, puhleeeez! *Waiting for the hymn book calvary to ride on in here next* sheeesh!

MM, as you know I was on the fringes for a while and I saw so much phoniness that it even surprised me. So few of the 'names' live the talk.

[Polaris]

An Apostolic choir has no business publicly doing a project with Mark Lowery and Michael English. This should never have happened. It is one thing to have someone coming to your church so you can minister to them or (using careful discretion) to involve them in something the church is doing in order to open a door to reach someone...I have no problem with that. But it's quite another matter for an Apostolic choir to join hands together in an effort to jointly "minister" to others. All that's really happening here is the Apostolics are going to have their doctrinal position watered-down...and their own people confused. Rather than being a vital point of doctrine, it trivializes the issue and makes it like "trinity/oneness, so what?"---and they're doing that publicly.

The Apostle Paul preached in synagogues of the Jews IN ORDER TO REACH THE JEWS...he didn't join in efforts with the non-believing Jews to minister to others as though their false teachings were unimportant, trivial matters.

I personally have preached in trinitarian churches, NOT to join in ministry WITH them to others, or to give silent approval to their teachings and hold hands with their false doctrine but in order to reach them and have an opportunity to be used by God to minister to them. There is a difference. Having someone come to your church and be involved with you to some limited degree is not at all the same as doing some public project together where it looks like you're in agreement.

[Monkeyman]

All Bible School grads are homosexuals, fornicators, adulterers, fakes, and skipped classes!!!!!!!!






































Well...go through your yearbooks, there were a couple weren't there?? Ohhh, you mean we doooon't broadbrush everyone together, I see, well then soorry about my comments, they were in error!

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Polaris

An Apostolic choir has no business publicly doing a project with Mark Lowery and Michael English. This should never have happened. It is one thing to have someone coming to your church so you can minister to them or (using careful discretion) to involve them in something the church is doing in order to open a door to reach someone...I have no problem with that. But it's quite another matter for an Apostolic choir to join hands together in an effort to jointly "minister" to others. All that's really happening here is the Apostolics are going to have their doctrinal position watered-down...and their own people confused. Rather than being a vital point of doctrine, it trivializes the issue and makes it like "trinity/oneness, so what?"---and they're doing that publicly.

The Apostle Paul preached in synagogues of the Jews IN ORDER TO REACH THE JEWS...he didn't join in efforts with the non-believing Jews to minister to others as though their false teachings were unimportant, trivial matters.

I personally have preached in trinitarian churches, NOT to join in ministry WITH them to others, or to give silent approval to their teachings and hold hands with their false doctrine but in order to reach them and have an opportunity to be used by God to minister to them. There is a difference. Having someone come to your church and be involved with you to some limited degree is not at all the same as doing some public project together where it looks like you're in agreement.

ML and ME should have never sang with those non-trinitarians.....I agree. That's why I didn't.

[Monkeyman]

Well gotta run, have fun with this!

Socali, kudos to ur church man, love you cats!!!!!

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

All Bible School grads are homosexuals, fornicators, adulterers, fakes, and skipped classes!!!!!!!!

Monkeyman, I agree that there are many, even a majority, in gospel music that are true blue! But unfortunately, there are some who sing gospel because that's how they make their living.

BTW, I do know a lot of bible school grads that were homosexuals, fornicators, adulterers, fakes, and skipped classes!!!!!!!!

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

CR, I have to disagree with you somewhat on this. When the stuff came out on Sandy Patti, she quit touring and did not come out with another cd for quite awhile (years).

I don't know about the touring, but you're wrong on the cds . . .

SP confessed her two affairs in 1995. It was published in Christianity Today. Both affairs were with married men.

Like Michael, she had just won a Dove in 1994 for "Find It On the Wings." However, she wasn't dumped or tossed from the industry as he was...

Here's a discography:

1994 - Won a Dove Award for "Find It On the Wings."

1996 - Two Christmas Albums, "O Holy Night" and a Hallmark album with Peabo Bryson. Also had another album released, "An American Songbook."

1997 - Won a Dove award for album release "Artist of My Soul."

1998 - Another Dove award for "Libertad me das" (Spanish Language Album)

1999 - Sandi Patty released an album with Kathy Troccoli, "Together"

2000 - "These Days"

2001 - "All The Best...Live!"

2003 - "Take Hold of Christ"

And every year up to now.

She missed releasing an album in one year . . . 1995, the year she admitted to her sins. That was it. She's released, with exception of 1980, 1987, 1995 and 2002, at least one album every year since she started recording in 1979.

But during that time, she was not taken off the radio; and her albums were still available in stores.

I remember, because I kept all the news clips and web articles about Michael's fall and was upset when I found out that SP did more than he did and was still on air and in stores.

I even confronted the manager of my local Christian retailer and asked him how her music was still on the shelf when Michael's was removed.

He didn't have an answer. Stated he was disheartened by the reaction to Michael's confession, and he didn't know about SP's confession, so he couldn't say why there was a blatant double-standard between them.

Originally Posted by South of I 90

Her singing career has not come back to popularity she was at one time.

Also the music industry is not very "friendly" to her genre now.

That hasn't anything to do with her confession. It's just the genre has changed.

Here's one I'm still having issues with . . . she was inducted into the GMA Hall of Fame, February 11th, 2004.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Monkeyman, I agree that there are many, even a majority, in gospel music that are true blue! But unfortunately, there are some who sing gospel because that's how they make their living.

BTW, I do know a lot of bible school grads that were homosexuals, fornicators, adulterers, fakes, and skipped classes!!!!!!!!

BUT, we ALL weren't!

[Praxeas]

Perhaps this is a good way of reaching those lost Trinitarians who are all going to hell, but reaching out to them and holding hands with them and saying "See? We are not all the hate mongering Oneness Pentecostals you heard about"?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

BUT, we ALL weren't!

TRUE! But....didn't you ever skip a class?????