You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk - Page 98

Steve Epley · #**971** 04-15-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

Nowhere is anything even closely insinuated like this in my study. You either did not read what is found there, or you misread what you did read. Either way, this thought is not found in the study I referenced.

Are you a post-trib believer? Eld. Epley is not. He believes in pre-trib. Therefore, he has people being "saved" without the Holy Ghost for several years before Jesus destroys the earth with fire. That means he is a cessationalist (which he admitted), and that he propagates there will be another gospel (which the apostles taught adamantly against).

Now to your statement, can you please show where such a millennium is taught in the Bible?

Again you assign something to me I have never avowed. Can you cite where I have said folks are saved WITHOUT the Holy Ghost?

Not Jason but the word millenium simply means "1,000 years" You can very easily read that in Rev. 20:3,5-6 it is in the Bible.

shag · #**972** 04-15-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

So. Who won?

Uhhhh........ Who won what?

Ohhhh........, the north.

Esther · #**973** 04-15-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Devil is already bound.

Is this TIC?

Esther · #**974** 04-15-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

This same study explains that as well.

In reading your article I see where you keep referring to "is" instead of "to come" in regards to tongues shall cease. I do not believe that tongues HAS ceased but that it WILL.

Cessationalism is a term I have never heard of before AFF. You refer to it as a done deal, while many believers as myself believe these are things to come, not that it has already.

I think you have misrepresented the opposing view in this.

afp1996 · #**975** 04-15-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Boy that takes alot of imagination.

Where was that perfect saint produced that no longer needed to speak in tongues?

Thayer's says ' the perfect state of things that is ushered in by the return of Christ.'
What about 1Cor. 1:8???????????????????

Your point would be? Thayer's can say what ever Thayer's wants to. His theology can be perfectly wrong and his insight to grammer correct. Read the whole chapter.

Tongues, knowledge, and prophecy and their continuing have to do with a Christian growing up in Christ through Love. Love and how it matures a Christian is the focus of that Chapter, not the Coming of the Lord. It is your view that is a stretch.

Esther · #**976** 04-15-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by afp1996

Your point would be? Thayer's can say what ever Thayer's wants to. His theology can be perfectly wrong and his insight to grammer correct. Read the whole chapter.

Tongues, knowledge, and prophecy and their continuing have to do with a Christian growing up in Christ through Love. Love and how it matures a Christian is the focus of that Chapter, not the Coming of the Lord. It is your view that is a stretch.

I think he believes your view is a stretch.

That is why iron sharpeth iron. Study the Word with a love for the TRUTH not an agenda.

TK Burk · #**977** 04-15-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

In reading your article I see where you keep referring to "is" instead of "to come" in regards to tongues shall cease. I do not believe that tongues HAS ceased but that it WILL.

Cessationalism is a term I have never heard of before AFF. You refer to it as a done deal, while many believers as myself believe these are things to come, not that it has already.

I think you have misrepresented the opposing view in this.

Sis Esther,

I am NOT a cessationalist, and neither are any AFPs.

Cessationalism is not exclusive to any one view of prophecy. Many denominations argue that tongues and the gifts ceased when "that which is perfect" came. The argument then becomes the identity of "that which is perfect." Some contend it is the canonization of the Bible. Some see this as referring to the prophesied AD70 judgment against Jerusalem and her Temple. Still others see it as the "rapture of the Church." Regardless, these notions believe there is a time when the Holy Ghost and the Gifts of the Spirit will no longer be available to mankind. So, no, I have studied these views for years and can easily confess that I did not misrepresent cessationalism at all.

Jesus rules over a "never ending" kingdom. His New Covenant is the everlasting gospel. That gospel includes the Holy Ghost, thus requiring that the Holy Ghost be forever available to mankind. Therefore, ANY VIEW that removes the promised Holy Ghost from mankind is a view that has no biblical basis.

shag · #**978** 04-15-2009, 09:39 AM

I just started a new thread concerning 1 Cor. 13's "that which is perfect" , so to help this thread from jumping from one topic to the next.

TK Burk · #**979** 04-15-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I think he believes your view is a stretch.

That is why iron sharpeth iron. Study the Word with a love for the TRUTH not an agenda.

If you believe the above, please explain why you are singling out afp1996. Why are you suggesting his answer is one-sided and not saying the same about those he is answering? And you are questioning HIS agenda?

TK Burk · #**980** 04-15-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again you assign something to me I have never avowed. Can you cite where I have said folks are saved WITHOUT the Holy Ghost?

Eld. Epley, the above is my question to YOU.

Let's make this real simple, okay?

1. Do you believe in the pre-trib rapture of the church?

2. Do you belive the Holy Ghost will be removed at the time of the pre-trib rapture?

3. Do you believe there will be people left on earth after the pre-trib rapture of the church?

4. Do you believe those "left behind" can still find salvation?

5. Do you believe that salvation includes Acts 2:38 or will it be through another way?

Simple enough? I look forward to your answers....