UPC Driving the Women Away?

Hoovie · #1 01-01-2009, 08:08 PM

There is often a case made (here and otherwise) that the UPC is chasing away or at least repelling that half of humanity known as the female sex. I remember when Robert Sabin was doing his public remake, that he made the case as well.

So here is my question; If we are, in fact, repelling the females, and in turn denying them the message of Christ and him crucified, then why are there such a disproportionate amount of women in the UPC pews?

I could never understand this. Furthermore, it is my observation that many women will testify how they are drawn to a simpler lifestyle at least somewhat apart of the trappings of style and fashion.

This leads me to question the charge of the UPC repelling women.

What do you think??

PS
This is not a standards thread! Please take your pro/con arguments elsewhere.

ILG · #2 01-01-2009, 08:13 PM

I think the answer is complicated. I think some women are indeed drawn to a simpler lifestyle without the trappings of fashion etc. Of course, the UPC practices a great deal of fashion....but that's kind of off the subject. On the flip side, after the simpler lifestyle is seen and practiced, women often notice the tip in the scales where women live more "simply" and men simply don't. It's often a double standard.

scotty · #3 01-01-2009, 08:15 PM

Nope. They are not leaving, just becoming more stubborn, lol. We have women in our church who have told our pastor; "I respect you because you are our pastor and friend in Christ. But I am gonna live by my convictions regardless of what you signed or what org this church is affiliated with."

And the women who take that stand are outstanding members of our body.

Hoovie · #4 01-01-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Nope. They are not leaving, just becoming more stubborn, lol. We have women in our church who have told our pastor; "I respect you because you are our pastor and friend in Christ. But I am gonna live by my convictions regardless of what you signed or what org this church is affiliated with."

And the women who take that stand are outstanding members of our body.

Right Scotty - I know several like that as well.

A little backbone and self determination can be a good thing.

freeatlast · #5 01-01-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

There is often a case made (here and otherwise) that the UPC is chasing away or at least repelling that half of humanity known as the female sex. I remember when Robert Sabin was doing his public remake, that he made the case as well.

So here is my question; If we are, in fact, repelling the females, and in turn denying them the message of Christ and him crucified, then why are there such a disproportionate amount of women in the UPC pews?

I could never understand this. Furthermore, it is my observation that many women will testify how they are drawn to a simpler lifestyle at least somewhat apart of the trappings of style and fashion.

This leads me to question the charge of the UPC repelling women.

What do you think??

PS
This is not a standards thread! Please take your pro/con arguments elsewhere.

Well Steve, in light of the two highlighted portions I can only answer Yes, especially new converts.

scotty · #6 01-01-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Well Steve, in light of the two highlighted portions I can only answer Yes, especially new converts.

Well that should be good for increasing the membership of your church.

Hoovie · #7 01-01-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Well Steve, in light of the two highlighted portions I can only answer Yes, especially new converts.

Fair enough. So then there would be an influx of women if further adjustments were made regarding standards??

I think at some point we need to seriously consider the lawfulness of multiple wives then, because the men are already outnumbered.

scotty · #8 01-01-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Fair enough. So then there would be an influx of women if further adjustments were made regarding standards??

I think at some point we need to seriously consider the lawfulness of multiple wives then, because the men are already outnumbered.

Hoovie · #9 01-01-2009, 08:47 PM

On another note... the UPC has more female licensed ministers than the Southern Baptists with their 16,000,000 US constituents...

freeatlast · #10 01-01-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Fair enough. So then there would be an influx of women if further adjustments were made regarding standards??

I think at some point we need to seriously consider the lawfulness of multiple wives then, because the men are already outnumbered.

I think when a modern 20 to 40 year old women visits one of our churches that displays our laws on the backs ( and heads) of our women they see a legalistic or even cultic society and often do not return for another visit.