The Church has always persecuted Fresh Moves of God

[Pastor Keith]

As I was reading SF excellent appeal for balance on both sides of the spectrum in the church. I began to reflect on Church history, I like to read church history and what God has done over the 2000+ year history of the church.

I happen as a hobby to be a student of history.

Many of you might not be aware but in almost every case, every fresh moves of God such as community renewals, out breaks of manifestations of the gifts of the spirit, power encounters that led to many conversions has always been killed because of persecution from the established church. Not from outside due to worldliness.

The established church through the lenses of its particular dogma, doctrinal interpretations became the gauge of what was acceptable and non acceptable, but in many cases through bureaucratic control and fear and intimidation it either drove out those crying for renewal or caused their voices to be silenced.

So the fear that worldliness will kill the true church is unfounded.

You might be tempted to think about the United Methodist Church or the Liberal mainline churches, but even in those cases where real renewal happened, as those revivals progressed and non-spiritual bureaucrats took control, then theological liberalism and worldliness set in.

The New Covenant church has NEVER "persecuted a move of God". If it did, it would NOT BE the New Covenant church, by definition.

What happens is God moves upon people and they begin to respond to God and the FALSE CHURCH ("synagogue of satan") persecutes the followers of God.

Also, being cautious and questioning should NOT be construed as "persecution".

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

The New Covenant church has NEVER "persecuted a move of God". If it did, it would NOT BE the New Covenant church, by definition.

What happens is God moves upon people and they begin to respond to God and the FALSE CHURCH ("synagogue of satan") persecutes the followers of God.

Also, being cautious and questioning should NOT be construed as "persecution".

Judiazers ( jews who had experienced the New Birth, but equally held to the traditions handed down to them) persecuted the church. They followed the Apostle Paul around and tried to kill everything he started.

My friend caution and overly questioning something that is bearing fruit and yet outside our limited experiences is a mask for doubt and unbelief.

Originally Posted by keith4him

Judiazers ( jews who had experienced the New Birth, but equally held to the traditions handed down to them) persecuted the church. They followed the Apostle Paul around and tried to kill everything he started.

My friend caution and overly questioning something that is bearing fruit and yet outside our limited experiences is a mask for doubt and unbelief.

So, there's no place for spiritual discernment? Are we to just accept the "holy barking" and "holy laughter" and other such strange manifestations that came out of Brownsville and Toronto? After all, they were attributed to fresh moves of God and have borne some kind of fruit.

[Beard]

Each influx of the Word requires "hearing", the believers' having understanding by the eyes being opened and anointed, and received by obedience. The Holy Ghost is given to them that obey Him allowing the body to go from glory to glory, from faith to faith, even as by the Spirit of the Lord in order for the body to be conformed to the image of Jesus. It is only when one thinks that they have arrived does the process become stagnant by the river flow of truth not being received; thus the words, "Woe be unto them that are at ease in Zion", God searching Jerusalem with candles and punishing all those that are settled on their lees. This is concerning the church, the heavenly Jerusalem, not the ones outside of the church. We must take heed how we hear. JMO

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Chan

So, there's no place for spiritual discernment? Are we to just accept the "holy barking" and "holy laughter" and other such strange manifestations that came out of Brownsville and Toronto? After all, they were attributed to fresh moves of God and have borne some kind of fruit.

No and they were dealt with appropriately, Wimber kicked the Toronto church to the curb remember! We judge moves of God on the merit of the fruits not what packages that they necessarily come in.

[Felicity]

The Church has always persecuted Fresh Moves of God

"Persecution" may be a bit strong. I don't think that persecution is necessarily what happens in its most negative sense, but I agree with this in part and have written about it several times.

Are we guilty of it?

[Steve Epley]

The "fresh moves" are indeed interesting. Most are stale warmed over latter splatter stuff from the 50's and nothing is fresh and is moving is God is moving out.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

The New Covenant church has NEVER "persecuted a move of God". If it did, it would NOT BE the New Covenant church, by definition.

What happens is God moves upon people and they begin to respond to God and the FALSE CHURCH ("synagogue of satan") persecutes the followers of God.

Also, being cautious and questioning should NOT be construed as "persecution".

Gal 2:11
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
KJV

I think this was what Peter was doing when Paul confronted him.

Never say never....

Jerry Moon

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

Gal 2:11
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
KJV

I think this was what Peter was doing when Paul confronted him.

Never say never....

Jerry Moon

An individual out of line is not "the Church" resisting a move of God.

Huge difference there, Rev.