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02-16-2010, 08:49 AM
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No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
I Corinthians 12:3 says that no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit.
How do you intepret this passage? Some say that this means that unless you have received the Holy Spirit, with speaking in tongues as evidence, you can't really say that Jesus is Lord. Others say that if one says "Jesus is Lord" that is proof and evidence that one is filled with the Holy Spirit.
What is your opinion?
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02-16-2010, 09:52 AM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
I see it as similar to when Jesus said they that worship Him must do so in spirit and truth. It speaks to the genuine nature of the worship. There really can be no pretension because the Holy Spirit knows the heart (aka spirit/inner man).
No one can REALLY say "Jesus is Lord" unless the fact is verified inwardly by and through the Holy Spirit.
It really cannot mean speaking in tongues because both saying Jesus is Lord and speaking in tongues can be mouthed without it truly being so.
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02-16-2010, 10:06 AM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
I Corinthians 12:3 says that no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit.
How do you intepret this passage? Some say that this means that unless you have received the Holy Spirit, with speaking in tongues as evidence, you can't really say that Jesus is Lord. Others say that if one says "Jesus is Lord" that is proof and evidence that one is filled with the Holy Spirit.
What is your opinion?
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It is not saying.... guess what Mr. Atheist... I bet you can't say this 3 worded phrase. While he stumbles over his Words and stutters. Many will come saying Lord Lord.... The point is nobody can declare Jesus is Master,Lord, supreme authority in there life except by the working power of the Spirit in there lives. The Spirit gives you power to overcome by responding and trusting in him which declares Christ Lord or master. Thus without God you cannot say he is Lord of your life without the influentual power of the HS. We don't do it on our own but it is a synergistic work in which the ultimate point is without God we fail.
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02-16-2010, 10:32 AM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
In the Aramaic Peshitta version of scripture the verse says No one can say Jesus is MARYAH except by the Holy Spirit.
MARYAH is Aramaic for "Master YAH".
That would seem to be pointing to the deity of Jesus Christ.
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02-16-2010, 10:45 AM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
In the Aramaic Peshitta version of scripture the verse says No one can say Jesus is MARYAH except by the Holy Spirit.
MARYAH is Aramaic for "Master YAH".
That would seem to be pointing to the deity of Jesus Christ.
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I guess that Mar would mean "Lord/Master/Sovereign/Sir/Mister" and YAH would be an abbreviation for what we call YHWH or Jehovah, or Yahweh, or the tetragrammaton, God's covenant name of Exodus 3:6, 13-16 and 6:1-4?
I like that.
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02-16-2010, 11:03 AM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
No other verse makes clear that the working of the Spirit is evident at the coming to faith, in the very beginning. This matches with John 3 and being born again. The indwelled presence at faith in God is at work to bring a person to confession. Confession is the external, audible way of expressing the internal faith.
There's no minimizing an understanding of the role of the Spirit at work in conversion, and simultaneously (if these can be broken down even), regeneration.
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02-16-2010, 01:18 PM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
The point here is the gifts of the Spirit and their use and abuse.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-16-2010, 01:46 PM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
I believe the key to understanding this verse is in the context. Its says, "no man SPEAKING BY THE SPIRIT" can say Jesus is Lord and, when speaking by the Spirit will curse Jesus.
When one speaks out of their heart, by the Holy Spirit, they will speak of the lordship of Jesus and will not curse him.
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02-16-2010, 01:47 PM
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
A suggestion
Maybe Paul was dealing with false teachers in Corinth that were claiming, by the Spirit, that Jesus is not LORD. IF it was their purpose to derail the truth they would not dare say "Jesus is LORD" at all, so you know when the gifts were in operation and someone says Jesus is LORD, you knew it was not a false teacher
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-16-2010, 01:48 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: No One Can Say Jesus is Lord Except By HS
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Originally Posted by U376977
I believe the key to understanding this verse is in the context. Its says, "no man SPEAKING BY THE SPIRIT" can say Jesus is Lord and, when speaking by the Spirit will curse Jesus.
When one speaks out of their heart, by the Holy Spirit, they will speak of the lordship of Jesus and will not curse him.
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Actually it does not say "no man speaking by the Spirit can say Jesus is Lord"..
It says no man can say Jesus is Lord EXCEPT by the Spirit
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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