Agree-Disagree Three sources of religion

[Carpenter]

1. The Roman Catholic church as a result of the Nicean council
2. The Reformation and the article written by Martin Luther
3. The Apostolic movement and the upper room

I wonder to what extent the apostolic movement can be tied to #2.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

1. The Roman Catholic church as a result of the Nicean council
2. The Reformation and the article written by Martin Luther
3. The Apostolic movement and the upper room

I wonder to what extent the apostolic movement can be tied to #2.

Where did you get this from and to what context does your title relate?

The modern-day Oneness Apostolic movement is a progression from the Reformation, Wesleyan Holiness Movement and then Azusa Street (in an extremely minimized description).

All groups claim to be intimately related to the Early Church. This is all groups' claim. The Catholics have all the history on their side -- and that remains one strong point for RCC, and one in which we all learn from, history. (Of course their history also includes burnings of works not theirs, cruelty, etc)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Disagree.

Where do the JH, Mormons, Sikhs, Muslims, Animists-- need I go on?

Who influenced them?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Disagree.

Where do the JH, Mormons, Sikhs, Muslims, Animists-- need I go on?

Who influenced them?

All of them would look to Acts 2, to some degree, as well as the NT.

Sikh's, Muslims.... yeah, I wasn't even sure what the post means or what they are asking. Are they referring to Christian religious groups or Religion in general?

[Carpenter]

The world renowned, voice of the UPC, nationwide evangelist and Landmark keynote speaker, Rev. Danny Hood used this in one of his sermons as a matter of fact...

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Where did you get this from and to what context does your title relate?

The modern-day Oneness Apostolic movement is a progression from the Reformation, Wesleyan Holiness Movement and then Azusa Street (in an extremely minimized description).

All groups claim to be intimately related to the Early Church. This is all groups' claim. The Catholics have all the history on their side -- and that remains one strong point for RCC, and one in which we all learn from, history. (Of course their history also includes burnings of works not theirs, cruelty, etc)

This is what I had figured as well...no way would protestantism be present in the United States without the reformation...of course, we cannot prove a negative that by some divine revelation it wouldn't have happened anyway...

[Jermyn Davidson]

That person made a mistake in his sermon.

It happens, from time to time.

I am sure the gist of the sermon was factual.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

This is what I had figured as well...no way would protestantism be present in the United States without the reformation...of course, we cannot prove a negative that by some divine revelation it wouldn't have happened anyway...

Protestantism WAS the Reformation.

Protestant = Protest = Reformation of RCC

No one predicted it would have formed a new leg of Christianity, as Luther, Zwingli and others were only concerned with correcting the areas they felt the RCC was "missing it." Similar to some of the Pentecostal criticism that happens on AFF

But instead, the reformers became part of a reformation. A movement that never ceased to stop --- anabaptists, lutherans, etc...

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

1. The Roman Catholic church as a result of the Nicean council
2. The Reformation and the article written by Martin Luther
3. The Apostolic movement and the upper room

I wonder to what extent the apostolic movement can be tied to #2.

It ties much more closely to #2 than #3, but I also disagree that these are the "three sources of religion". There are two major outgrowths of the Christian movement, RCC (which was not a result of the Nicean Council) and the Reformation, which cannot be completely attributed to Martin Luther, though he played a major role in the beginning of it. Both the RCC and the Reformation stem from "the upper room". Today's Apostolic movement, however, does not trace it's roots straight back to Acts 2 in a clear progression of information handed down from generation to generation for 2000 years. They trace through the Reformation.

[pelathais]

Too limited of a list, IMHO. Perhaps you were also just intending the "sources of religion" relevant to 20th Century Americans?

The Council of Nicea was actually a bust, initially. The next 3 Roman Emperors were all Arians and pushed Arian theology. Then, the 4th Emperor after Nicea (Julian the Apostate) renounced Christianity as a whole. It was Theodosius who finally started to tear down "pagan" temples and to really promote "The Catholic Faith" - thought Roman Catholicism was still centuries away.

"We" (OPs) are "Children of the Reformation" in many ways. However, the bulk of our theological baggage was inherited from Wesley ("Perfectionism") and the English Brethren Movement (Dispensationalism) - though both of these were also "Children of the Reformation."

The teachings of the ancients (the apostles of the First Century) has been all but lost. We may mouth some of their words but we really do miss out on their meaning all too often. Our literalism ("Fundamentalism") is less than 200 years old.

Just some thoughts.