Hell is Unexplainable?

[crakjak]

“For me it is unexplainable how a person who holds the orthodox view [of eternal torment] can

at any time have a glad moment in this life. He is constantly mingling with people whose final

destiny will be to be tormented eternally without end…To me it is even more unexplainable that

such an ‘orthodox’ person can expect even a happy moment in eternity, when he knows that

contemporaneously with his blessed estate continues the endless torment and agony of

innumerable millions of the accursed. Can he, if he loves his neighbors as himself, yes, even if he

has just a little bit of human love and is not solely a selfish wretch, have even a single happy

moment?” — John Persone Swedish Lutheran Bishop

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

For me

glad

To me

happy

if he loves

human love

happy

The above is a perfect example of why UR is a fallacy. It relies not on scriptures but on emotional appeal and personal opinion

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

“For me it is unexplainable how a person who holds the orthodox view [of eternal torment] can

at any time have a glad moment in this life. He is constantly mingling with people whose final

destiny will be to be tormented eternally without end…To me it is even more unexplainable that

such an ‘orthodox’ person can expect even a happy moment in eternity, when he knows that

contemporaneously with his blessed estate continues the endless torment and agony of

innumerable millions of the accursed. Can he, if he loves his neighbors as himself, yes, even if he

has just a little bit of human love and is not solely a selfish wretch, have even a single happy

moment?” — John Persone Swedish Lutheran Bishop

matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[SRM]

Originally Posted by acerrak

matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Only born again people experience "eternal life".To say a sinner will die and burn forever is indeed a form of eternal life being tormented.They are already dead in the eyes of God,they do not have life to begin with unless they become Born Again

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SRM

Only born again people experience "eternal life".To say a sinner will die and burn forever is indeed a form of eternal life being tormented.They are already dead in the eyes of God,they do not have life to begin with unless they become Born Again

Unless "life" does not mean to be alive but refers more to a quality of being alive

However one point must be confessed...no matter what Eternal punishment/death is, it's as Eternal as Eternal Life...otherwise the bible is a book of incoherent words that can mean whatever anyone wants them to mean

[SRM]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Unless "life" does not mean to be alive but refers more to a quality of being alive

However one point must be confessed...no matter what Eternal punishment/death is, it's as Eternal as Eternal Life...otherwise the bible is a book of incoherent words that can mean whatever anyone wants them to mean

Exactly

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by SRM

Only born again people experience "eternal life".To say a sinner will die and burn forever is indeed a form of eternal life being tormented.They are already dead in the eyes of God,they do not have life to begin with unless they become Born Again

i just quote the bible

however. I do not believe everyone will be saved. that is not in my bible

my bible states that whose ever believes in the son will have eternal Life

if people do not then they dont meet the requirment that God has set fourth.

death and hell will be tossed into the lake of Fire. this is the second death.

I dont know exactly what intells with the second death. i do know that those who take the mark of the beast the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The above is a perfect example of why UR is a fallacy. It relies not on scriptures but on emotional appeal and personal opinion

Funny how you imply that the emotion of a person is a bad gauge for understanding God's idea regarding human life. Where in the World do you think we acquired our emotion????

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Funny how you imply that the emotion of a person is a bad gauge for understanding God's idea regarding human life. Where in the World do you think we acquired our emotion????

Truth is not based on feelings. It's based on what God said. "Well I feel that God is like" is not a valid way of knowing what God is like...if you want to know what God is like, you read what God says

Appealing to emotions is a classic logical fallacy. When people get emotional about a subject they tend to also become subjective, because emotions are subjective. People can hear about someone being arrested for a horrendous murder and based on their emotion feel that person is guilty before even seeing the facts.

In the opening post not one verse was quoted. Instead several attempts to appeal to your emotions, rather than your intellect, was made.

That is the usual UR argument.

[UnTraditional]

UR has to tear out entire parables of Christ, and has to deny the truth of salvation by grace through faith. It is a heresy which is based more on what man thinks God should be like instead of actually reading the bible to see what God has said about Himself and His righteous holy judgments.