I Am In The Septuagint

[Michael The Disciple]

Hi all,

Has anyone noticed this awesome scripture in the LXX?

41:4 Who has wrought and done these things? he has called it who called it from the generations of old; I God, the first and to [all] futurity, I AM.
Isaiah 41:4

In this one verse we seem to have God saying he is the first and last and the I AM.

This is awesome to me because I have encountered those who use the LXX in discussions that love to point out that I AM is not presented as being a name for God in Exodus 3. So according to them when Yeshua says "before Abraham was I AM" it references back to nothing!

But let us also try this on for size from the LXX.

46:3 Hear me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of Israel, who are borne [by me] from the womb, and taught [by me] from infancy, [even] to old age:

46:4 I am [he]; and until ye shall have grown old, I am [he]: I bear you, I have made, and I will relieve, I will take up and save you.
Isaiah 46:4

If we understand the bracketed words in verse 46 to be interpolations here God calls himself I AM twice in this one verse!

So if the Septuagint is referenced by Arians in combating the Messiahs deity on the basis of Exodus 3 these are several other places that make glorious cross references with John 8:56:

57: Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hi all,

Has anyone noticed this awesome scripture in the LXX?

41:4 Who has wrought and done these things? he has called it who called it from the generations of old; I God, the first and to [all] futurity, I AM.
Isaiah 41:4

In this one verse we seem to have God saying he is the first and last and the I AM.

This is awesome to me because I have encountered those who use the LXX in discussions that love to point out that I AM is not presented as being a name for God in Exodus 3. So according to them when Yeshua says "before Abraham was I AM" it references back to nothing!

But let us also try this on for size from the LXX.

46:3 Hear me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of Israel, who are borne [by me] from the womb, and taught [by me] from infancy, [even] to old age:

46:4 I am [he]; and until ye shall have grown old, I am [he]: I bear you, I have made, and I will relieve, I will take up and save you.
Isaiah 46:4

If we understand the bracketed words in verse 46 to be interpolations here God calls himself I AM twice in this one verse!

So if the Septuagint is referenced by Arians in combating the Messiahs deity on the basis of Exodus 3 these are several other places that make glorious cross references with John 8:56:

57: Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Exodus reads Ego Eimi ho on, which can be translated as I AM Existing or I am the Existing one. Or I am He that exists

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hi all,

Has anyone noticed this awesome scripture in the LXX?

41:4 Who has wrought and done these things? he has called it who called it from the generations of old; I God, the first and to [all] futurity, I AM.
Isaiah 41:4

In this one verse we seem to have God saying he is the first and last and the I AM.

This is awesome to me because I have encountered those who use the LXX in discussions that love to point out that I AM is not presented as being a name for God in Exodus 3. So according to them when Yeshua says "before Abraham was I AM" it references back to nothing!

But let us also try this on for size from the LXX.

46:3 Hear me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of Israel, who are borne [by me] from the womb, and taught [by me] from infancy, [even] to old age:

46:4 I am [he]; and until ye shall have grown old, I am [he]: I bear you, I have made, and I will relieve, I will take up and save you.
Isaiah 46:4

If we understand the bracketed words in verse 46 to be interpolations here God calls himself I AM twice in this one verse!

So if the Septuagint is referenced by Arians in combating the Messiahs deity on the basis of Exodus 3 these are several other places that make glorious cross references with John 8:56:

57: Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Yes the phrase 'I AM' is applied to the SON of God at John 8:24-28 and 8:56-58. The Son of God is Yahweh, and as yahweh possesses every divine attribute, something which Oneness unfortunately denies.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Yes the phrase 'I AM' is applied to the SON of God at John 8:24-28 and 8:56-58. The Son of God is Yahweh, and as yahweh possesses every divine attribute, something which Oneness unfortunately denies.

You greatly err. There is only ONE who is YHWH. Not two and not three. He has NO EQUALS.

5: To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? Isaiah 46:5

In his deity Yeshua ALONE is YHWH.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Exodus reads Ego Eimi ho on, which can be translated as I AM Existing or I am the Existing one. Or I am He that exists

Which would be consistent with the Hebrew phrase hayah asher hayah that God used in Exodus.

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Yes the phrase 'I AM' is applied to the SON of God at John 8:24-28 and 8:56-58. The Son of God is Yahweh, and as yahweh possesses every divine attribute, something which Oneness unfortunately denies.

Prove it! Prove that the phrase Jesus used in those passages was the same phrase that God used in Exodus.

[Michael The Disciple]

Various times teachers have said "I AM" in Ex. 3 "really means" I will be or anything practically except I AM. I dont know Hebrew so I cant say. I do know this. That got me searching the LXX to see if I AM could be verified there. Apparently it is. I will now post ANOTHER scripture from it confirming I AM.

Be ye my witnesses, and I too am a witness, saith the Lord God, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know, and believe, and understand that I am [he]: before me there was no other God, and after me there shall be none.
I am God; and beside me there is no Saviour. Isaiah 43:9-10

Here again I AM is God and beside HIM there is no savior. Before HIM there was no God. Neither shall there be after him!

In other words he is the first and the last.

No wonder the Jews were so outraged they wanted him dead!

Yeshua is I AM. How many I AM'S are there in this universe?

Which is easier to say? Before Abraham was I AM or I and my Father are one?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Yes the phrase 'I AM' is applied to the SON of God at John 8:24-28 and 8:56-58. The Son of God is Yahweh, and as yahweh possesses every divine attribute, something which Oneness unfortunately denies.

Actually Oneness does not deny that. Only certain Oneness proponents would deny the Son is Yahweh. The Son IS Yahweh and I can quote other Oneness authors in agreement. But the Son is not a second Yahweh and is not someone OTHER than Yahweh. The Son is not a second Person of Yahweh. The Son and Father are both the same ONE Yahweh in Person and nature, but the Son has the added human nature

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Various times teachers have said "I AM" in Ex. 3 "really means" I will be or anything practically except I AM. I dont know Hebrew so I cant say. I do know this. That got me searching the LXX to see if I AM could be verified there. Apparently it is. I will now post ANOTHER scripture from it confirming I AM.

Be ye my witnesses, and I too am a witness, saith the Lord God, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know, and believe, and understand that I am [he]: before me there was no other God, and after me there shall be none.
I am God; and beside me there is no Saviour. Isaiah 43:9-10

Here again I AM is God and beside HIM there is no savior. Before HIM there was no God. Neither shall there be after him!

In other words he is the first and the last.

No wonder the Jews were so outraged they wanted him dead!

Yeshua is I AM. How many I AM'S are there in this universe?

Which is easier to say? Before Abraham was I AM or I and my Father are one?

But the Septuagint is nothing more than a translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. It is no more significant than the various English translations, though it was the translation used by Greek-speaking Jews. It still doesn't prove that the phrase Jesus SPOKE in John 8 was the same phrase God used in Exodus (hayah asher hayah).

[Digging4Truth]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhh... I thought you were actually IN the Septuagint.

I was thinking... WOW.. this guy must be old.