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Old 10-04-2011, 01:35 AM
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Ultra Cons Quitting Church

How many of you know of our more conservative(judgemental) brethren that have became so set in their ways they refuse to attend a church of any kind and in turn begin to stay home and passing on church meetings and christian fellowship altogether?

Is this person backslid such as the people they have cast judgement who may have decided that their extra biblical ideologies were not in accordance with the word of God and so they decided to take their families and move on?

How much of going to church or having a church service/Bible Study actually makes you a christian? How much of a lack of it makes you backslid?
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:58 AM
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Re: Ultra Cons Quitting Church

This would be a great thread to name drop....

maybe they would come out of the wood work and surprise some of us.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:02 AM
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How many of you know of our more conservative(judgemental) brethren that have became so set in their ways they refuse to attend a church of any kind and in turn begin to stay home and passing on church meetings and christian fellowship altogether?

Is this person backslid such as the people they have cast judgement who may have decided that their extra biblical ideologies were not in accordance with the word of God and so they decided to take their families and move on?

How much of going to church or having a church service/Bible Study actually makes you a christian? How much of a lack of it makes you backslid?
It anybody quits attending an Apostolic Church he is lost. I don't care if they are a Conservative or an Ultra Conservative they are still forsaking the assembling of themselves together.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:05 AM
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It anybody quits attending an Apostolic Church he is lost. I don't care if they are a Conservative or an Ultra Conservative they are still forsaking the assembling of themselves together.
those were my thoughts. I must extend mercy though if one is in a location where a church does not necessarily meet their standards. Ideally their standards would be in line with God's standard but I ponder over why they don't start a church themselves and attempt to build rather than locking themselves away in fear of what the world might do to them.

This is a trend among ultra-conservatives. They call it separation. I call it backsliding.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:19 AM
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those were my thoughts. I must extend mercy though if one is in a location where a church does not necessarily meet their standards. Ideally their standards would be in line with God's standard but I ponder over why they don't start a church themselves and attempt to build rather than locking themselves away in fear of what the world might do to them.

This is a trend among ultra-conservatives. They call it separation. I call it backsliding.
I think every Husband and Father has an obligation to make sure his family is in a good Apostolic Church, no matter the size. Everybody needs Church.
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Old 10-04-2011, 03:27 AM
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I think every Husband and Father has an obligation to make sure his family is in a good Apostolic Church, no matter the size. Everybody needs Church.
A good Apostolic Church? So is that defined ONLY by their belief in Oneness and Acts 2:38? Or does being a "good" Apostolic Church include teaching the FULL GOSPEL in accuracy?

You know on things like the rapture? The resurrection? The gifts? Holiness and perfection? The 1000 year reign? Loving the Lord our God with ALL our heart?

Can you recommend such a Church?

It seems Paul taught that ONLY the Church that taught the truth was really the Church.

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Tim. 3:15
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Old 10-04-2011, 06:51 AM
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Based on some of the comments above (and even spread out to other threads/posts), one of the biggest problems with some people in the traditional apostolic churches, at least some within those I've known of, is this: someone, or a family, who's been "going to church" for however long start showing up less often. Thus the gossip begins. Immediately, some "saints" start backsliding that person or family without even knowing all the details (like they really need to know anyway, right?). For the other "saints" of us, all we might know is that person or family had a genuine spirit with a good heart and loved God. After all, they were faithful and transparent, not only "at church," but also away from it in the community.

"Oh, but did you see Suzie-Q (or Billy Bob)? Wearing those shorts/pants, etc?"

"Suzie-Q (or Billy Bob) just won't ever make it. They got that TV in their house and Lord knows what they watch! Can you believe it?"

"Ya know? I was walking down the street past Billy Joe's house the other day. He was working on his car and that devil music coming from his radio!" Ugh, no wonder he always struggles.

Three examples above are not word for word, however not very far from it. So, while I'm not broadbrushing (as I don't firmly believe all people of the Faith are the same way), it's an alarming issue going on among some circles of people. At some point, it has to stop. We weren't called to "call it like it is," or "well, that's just how I see it." No, it's how God sees it; we're simply His messenger, and a vessel for His message. An imperfect one at that. So, while we wonder why the "Ultra cons" (or ANYONE for that matter) are quitting church, perhaps if we stopped and listened to all the ridiculous murmurings going on within and amongst ourselves, we'd actually allow God to do His work and will without even having to call into question some of the very minute issues we create and enable. God is still working on every person He created...NONE of us "have arrived."

As God could be saying to us, "Just shut-up and listen to me," from the bottom up, and from the top down. (my blunt-version of "Be still and know that I am God..."

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How many of you know of our more conservative(judgemental) brethren that have became so set in their ways they refuse to attend a church of any kind and in turn begin to stay home and passing on church meetings and christian fellowship altogether?

Is this person backslid such as the people they have cast judgement who may have decided that their extra biblical ideologies were not in accordance with the word of God and so they decided to take their families and move on?

How much of going to church or having a church service/Bible Study actually makes you a christian? How much of a lack of it makes you backslid?
This sure sounds a whole like judging folks.

Where's the mercy?

Where's the kindness?
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Going to "church" doesn't make one any more a "Christian" than sitting in a garage for two hours three times a week makes one a "car".

"Church" as they call it is good for learning and corporate worship on occasions. More times than not, it's just emotional hype demanding more money to keep the "system" alive. Many believe in this "system"... I don't.

I think of Christian families on the frontier. They would settle some land and on Sunday mornings Paw would give a reading from the Bible and he'd teach his family. They'd have confession, discussions, and prayer. Periodically they’d get a circuit rider in the area and they’d gather in someone’s home or construct a small chapel.

I new a guy from Tennessee named Scott. Scott was a pastor in a small “bapticostal” church down in Tennessee and he resigned from ministry because he felt like all the “corporate” demands were killing his spirituality and even alienating his family from the congregation (politics). After resigning from the pastorate he became an advocate for house church networks and moved to Ohio. The last time I saw Scott was at a house church meeting in Dayton about three and a half years ago. At that time he hadn’t graced the doors of a traditional “church” for over 6 or 7 years. But on Saturday and sometimes Sunday afternoons…his home was packed with guests and saints from all over town. The grill would be going, kids in the swimming pool, and Scott greeting guests. Scott would open with prayer, we’d have dinner, break bread (the Lord’s Supper), sing as many songs as we desired to sing, and then Scott would sit in his recliner and open up the Scriptures to us. We’d be sitting on couches, love seats, folding chairs, some saints sitting or laying in the floor by the hearth. Scott would open up a text, the background, the context, the language…and we’d not only learn… we’d ask questions and share our understandings. EVERYONE taught EVERYONE. After the meetings got going, you’d not even know if Scott was “in charge” or not… truth is… Jesus was leading through His people. Prophetic gifts would be in operation and many times a guest would just break down and weep. None of these attending were “members”. No dues or tithes were collected. We are admonished to look out for one another and be generous to one another. A woman’s car broke down. A few brothers went in to get her some wheels that she could use AND helped her pay for her car’s repairs. It was precious. No positions. No buildings. No money. It was all Jesus. The “elders” were like spiritual fathers or mentors. They weren’t men with a “position”. They were men with a ministry. A good number of those who would attend were from different churches. They’d come to Scotts for real fellowship and participation (things they weren’t getting at their traditional churches). Scott worked as a truck driver for a local company making local deliveries during the week. If you so much as TRIED to offer him money… he’d politely turn it down and tell you who would really be able to benefit from the gift. Scott didn’t want a salary. Scott opened his home, his family, and his life to share the gospel… and he wanted nothing in return.

For me… that was “CHURCH”. This systematic meeting in a sterilized building with offices, a theater (or sanctuary), the pre-service Christian concert, the offering plates, the financial portfolios, positions, licenses, salaries, pastoral car allowances, everyone dressed in their Sunday “costumes”, that we’re all familiar with is so PHONY to me. I attend a church today that is basically a house church network. I could do without the big institutional system and just thrive in the house churches. It’s real, it’s gritty, and it’s organic Christianity.

When I was just getting into the house church movement, Scott’s house church would occasionally meet at coffee shops, malls, and parks. We’d do all the things we’d do in Scott’s house…but now it was in public. We’d invite total strangers to sit in with us and “join the conversation”. Scott’s favorite was to invite a stranger in and ask the stranger to share with us what they think about Jesus. We had a time! Lol

And there have been occasions when due to work I can’t attend anything. That’s when I break out the bread and the wine and partake in the Lord’s Supper quietly in my living room. Then I’ll study the Scriptures and pray until I feel one step closer to being conformed into the image of Christ. Sometimes I’ve included my son (when I have him) and my lady friend and her daughter (when visiting). I allow the kids to share the meaning behind the Lord’s Supper.

Does a Christian need “traditional church”? No.

But to grow and have fellowship a Christian must gather with other Christians. Those Christians can be from a traditional church, the neighborhood, a work Bible study group, a house church, or even their Christian family members. You see… where ever two or more are gathered in His name, Jesus is there in their very midst.

Folks, technically speaking… one doesn’t need the Sunday show.

I’m reminded of a quote that I dearly love,
"Let not him who worships under a steeple condemn him who worships under a chimney." ~ John Newton
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Sounds like someone thinks the church needs to install a swimming pool and a grill.

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