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Old 08-23-2012, 04:46 AM
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Saved by Grace, Faith, and the Blood

I just got home from walking the dog and need to get ready for work in a few minutes. But, while I was walking Siegfried, I was thinking about how we are saved and what does it mean to be in obedience to the scriptures.

I'm assuming that scriptures were given us as a pattern for living, to not only show us the door to salvation, but to also teach of how we are to be in this world.

Once we experience the new birth, then are we to continue on growing in grace and obedience to the scriptures?

If we do not continue on, but live our lives in the flesh, are we damned?

what do you feel constitutes working out our salvation?

When do you feel that a person who has once tasted the gift of eternal life is so far gone, that if that person died today, they would be forever lost.

Is daily repentance required to cover ourselves as we fall short, or maybe miss the mark and don't even realize it?

What about a person who is trying to live for God, but slips,
goes out and gets drunk,
cusses out the person who cuts them off on I95 and takes the Lord's name in vain,
a married man goes to a office party and finds himself flirting with and kissing an attractive coworker,
watches a R rated movie with lots of nude sex and finding themself lusting
has a heart attack and dies

when do we die lost?

is there any way we must live?

what must we do to be saved?
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:59 AM
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Paul said that we lose our reward, not our salvation.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:06 AM
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Re: Saved by Grace, Faith, and the Blood

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I'm assuming that scriptures were given us as a pattern for living, to not only show us the door to salvation, but to also teach of how we are to be in this world.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim. 3:16-17

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If we do not continue on, but live our lives in the flesh, are we damned?
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore , brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die : but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live . Romans 8:11-13

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what do you feel constitutes working out our salvation?
An obedient lifestyle:

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed , not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Phil. 2:12-13

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When do you feel that a person who has once tasted the gift of eternal life is so far gone, that if that person died today, they would be forever lost.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened , and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come , 6 If they shall fall away , to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh , and put him to an open shame . Heb. 6:4-6

Apparently when they fall away. HOWEVER take note it is more than tasting the heavenly gift. MORE than being partakers of the Holy Ghost. They must have tasted the GOOD WORD of God. That leaves out most people right there. Very little truth is being taught at this time. Also they must have experience in the gifts of the Spirit, that is the powers of the world to come.

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Is daily repentance required to cover ourselves as we fall short, or maybe miss the mark and don't even realize it?
We should repent anytime we know we have sinned. If we have no conciousness of sin nothing to worry about. Sometimes we may condemn ourself over something that God is not offended by.

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What about a person who is trying to live for God, but slips,
goes out and gets drunk,
cusses out the person who cuts them off on I95 and takes the Lord's name in vain,
a married man goes to a office party and finds himself flirting with and kissing an attractive coworker,
watches a R rated movie with lots of nude sex and finding themself lusting
has a heart attack and dies

when do we die lost?

is there any way we must live?

what must we do to be saved?
Well we should be taught how much Jesus hates iniquity.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb. 1:8

If people really understood that I feel they would resist temptation more effectively. With a steady diet of unconditional love we tend to become weaker.

Teaching his commandments are essential to salvation and that they are not grievous goes a long way.

One should take the mindset that he will (by Gods grace) not commit sin. After all Jesus said it is better to cut off your hand or punch out your eye than commit a sin.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched . 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched . 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out : it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mark 9:43-47

We should not assume that we will always have time to repent. Remember Anannias. ANYTIME there is sin in our lives we should be very afraid.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased : for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted . 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written , The people sat down to eat and drink , and rose up to play . 8 Neither let us commit fornication , as some of them committed , and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted , and were destroyed of serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye , as some of them also murmured , and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come 1 Cor. 10:5-11

You ask is there any way we should live?

Yes for those with ears to hear Jesus makes it clear.

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matt. 5:48

Every minister on Earth should be teaching this. peace, Michael

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Old 08-23-2012, 07:24 AM
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Paul said that we lose our reward, not our salvation.
I dont think Paul wrote anything that would contradict the Lord Jesus Christ.

5 He that overcometh , the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev. 3:5-6

If one is an overcomer his name will not be blotted out of the book of life. I dont think the apostles taught anything different about that important issue.
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I dont think Paul wrote anything that would contradict the Lord Jesus Christ.

5 He that overcometh , the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev. 3:5-6

If one is an overcomer his name will not be blotted out of the book of life. I dont think the apostles taught anything different about that important issue.
yep... Gotta love the "lose reward only" position. LOL Salvation = deliverance. If we choose to live after the flesh we are negating our deliverance by the Spirit. To have faith is to follow and do his will which is deliverance or power by the Spirit which is the favor/grace of God. Without such faith/belief/following/complete works we are judged faithless becausewe deny him and cannot stand as considered right before him(justified).
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