Apostolic Organizations

Apostolicman7 · #1 10-10-2012, 03:22 PM

What Apostolic Organizations are out there besides the UPCI?

I like the UPCI, but disagree with them on topics such as women wearing pants, makeup, jewelry, TV, and sports. I'd like to find an organization I'm more in line with. One that believes in the Oneness of the Godhead, Jesus Name baptism, and the essentiality of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues, and women not cutting their hair, but allows more liberty on the other subjects that aren't so clearly lined out in scripture.

I've checked out the ALJC, but they also teach against women wearing pants. Though their articles of faith do allow makeup, jewelry, sports, and TV.

I've also checked out Global Network of Ministries, but it doesn't appear that they assert the essentiality of the Holy Ghost for salvation, or baptism in Jesus name.

Personally, I believe holiness is purety of heart. The word for holiness that Paul used when he said without it no man shall see God, is the same word Christ used for pure of heart. Both men were saying the same thing. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Without holiness (pure heart) no man shall see the Lord.

I think too much emphasis has been placed on outward adornment and dress as a measuring stick of a person's compliance with God's commands to be holy. The Bible says "wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word." David said he hid the Word in his heart that he might not sin against God. Jesus prayed that we would be sanctified by truth, then followed it up by declaring God's Word is truth. We are told to be washed by the water of the Word. Holiness is internal, and only comes by the Word of God and the Spirit of God. I do believe it will be reflected outwardly, and will in fact influence a Christians behavior and dress. However I disagree that certain articles of clothing are the only acceptable example of holiness, and that the absence of those particular articles are proof of the absence of holiness.

I have my complaints against women's pants because many of them are form fitting and show every curve and crevice. Not too mention there are many women whose form does not fit into their pants and it is unsightly. Yet I can't say with firm conviction that Deuteronomy 22:5 is a indictment against pants directly. It is a scriptural principle with cultural application and times are changing in America and we need to apply that principle differently than we have in the past. I don't feel it's wrong for someone to have the conviction of not wearing pants, but neither do I feel it is wrong if someone decides they want to wear pants. Traditionally, in our society, pants have been seen as men's apparel and therefore fall under the principle of Deuteronomy 22:5. However, I believe times are changing and women's pants are more and more becoming distinct in style, cut, and general appearance. We don't require women to refrain from wearing shirts, even though shirts are worn by both sexes. Women's shirts are different in cut, look, and have buttons on the opposite side as men's shirts. Same article of clothing with distinctions that tie them to a particular sex. I believe the same is becoming more and more true with pants.

With the new advancements in technology, people have greater control over what content they view on TV. This allows the Christian to watch content they feel is acceptable, while avoiding unacceptable content. Whether people will actually distinguish between the two instead of just watching it all, is not something I believe the church should use as justification for regulating TV. I don't need an organization saying they know better than I do about what is and is not acceptable for my family. If a Christian prays, and walks in the Holy Ghost, then they will know what is and is not acceptable.

Anyway, I'm looking for a group that is more in line with how I view these things. I firmly believe in the New Birth message of repentence, baptism in Jesus name, and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I also believe that the scriptures are clear regarding the cutting of hair for women. It's the other stuff that I differ on.

Does anyone know of an organization that I should look in to?

BeenThinkin · #2 10-10-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Apostolicman7

What Apostolic Organizations are out there besides the UPCI?

I like the UPCI, but disagree with them on topics such as women wearing pants, makeup, jewelry, TV, and sports. I'd like to find an organization I'm more in line with. One that believes in the Oneness of the Godhead, Jesus Name baptism, and the essentiality of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues, and women not cutting their hair, but allows more liberty on the other subjects that aren't so clearly lined out in scripture.

I've checked out the ALJC, but they also teach against women wearing pants. Though their articles of faith do allow makeup, jewelry, sports, and TV.

I've also checked out Global Network of Ministries, but it doesn't appear that they assert the essentiality of the Holy Ghost for salvation, or baptism in Jesus name.

Personally, I believe holiness is purety of heart. The word for holiness that Paul used when he said without it no man shall see God, is the same word Christ used for pure of heart. Both men were saying the same thing. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Without holiness (pure heart) no man shall see the Lord.

I think too much emphasis has been placed on outward adornment and dress as a measuring stick of a person's compliance with God's commands to be holy. The Bible says "wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word." David said he hid the Word in his heart that he might not sin against God. Jesus prayed that we would be sanctified by truth, then followed it up by declaring God's Word is truth. We are told to be washed by the water of the Word. Holiness is internal, and only comes by the Word of God and the Spirit of God. I do believe it will be reflected outwardly, and will in fact influence a Christians behavior and dress. However I disagree that certain articles of clothing are the only acceptable example of holiness, and that the absence of those particular articles are proof of the absence of holiness.

I have my complaints against women's pants because many of them are form fitting and show every curve and crevice. Not too mention there are many women whose form does not fit into their pants and it is unsightly. Yet I can't say with firm conviction that Deuteronomy 22:5 is a indictment against pants directly. It is a scriptural principle with cultural application and times are changing in America and we need to apply that principle differently than we have in the past. I don't feel it's wrong for someone to have the conviction of not wearing pants, but neither do I feel it is wrong if someone decides they want to wear pants. Traditionally, in our society, pants have been seen as men's apparel and therefore fall under the principle of Deuteronomy 22:5. However, I believe times are changing and women's pants are more and more becoming distinct in style, cut, and general appearance. We don't require women to refrain from wearing shirts, even though shirts are worn by both sexes. Women's shirts are different in cut, look, and have buttons on the opposite side as men's shirts. Same article of clothing with distinctions that tie them to a particular sex. I believe the same is becoming more and more true with pants.

With the new advancements in technology, people have greater control over what content they view on TV. This allows the Christian to watch content they feel is acceptable, while avoiding unacceptable content. Whether people will actually distinguish between the two instead of just watching it all, is not something I believe the church should use as justification for regulating TV. I don't need an organization saying they know better than I do about what is and is not acceptable for my family. If a Christian prays, and walks in the Holy Ghost, then they will know what is and is not acceptable.

Anyway, I'm looking for a group that is more in line with how I view these things. I firmly believe in the New Birth message of repentence, baptism in Jesus name, and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I also believe that the scriptures are clear regarding the cutting of hair for women. It's the other stuff that I differ on.

Does anyone know of an organization that I should look in to?

Sounds like you might "oughta" start your own. Just sayin'!

That way, when you come to new revelations you won't have to look for another organization.

BT

Apostolicman7 · #3 10-10-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Sounds like you might "oughta" start your own. Just sayin'!

That way, when you come to new revelations you won't have to look for another organization.

BT

Thanks, you've been very helpful.

I'm not in to Org hopping. Neither do I believe it is right to stay with an organization when you know you disagree with key doctrines they prize. I guess I could always lie to myself and others so as not to appear to be an Org hopper. Or maybe I should find someplace where my views on things are shared and I'm not in contradiction with core beliefs?

As for a "new revelation," Hopefully we are all growing in our understanding of God's Word. Unless you believe all things were revealed decades ago, then you should expect people to progress in their understanding of issues that are not clearly defined in scripture.

BeenThinkin · #4 10-10-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Apostolicman7

Thanks, you've been very helpful.

I'm not in to Org hopping. Neither do I believe it is right to stay with an organization when you know you disagree with key doctrines they prize. I guess I could always lie to myself and others so as not to appear to be an Org hopper. Or maybe I should find someplace where my views on things are shared and I'm not in contradiction with core beliefs?

As for a "new revelation," Hopefully we are all growing in our understanding of God's Word. Unless you believe all things were revealed decades ago, then you should expect people to progress in their understanding of issues that are not clearly defined in scripture.

Brother, you're preaching to the choir. I have changed many times in my maturing years and am not above changing again should I find myself in additional error. I didn't hop Org. I just left the big one and began to search out the scriptures for myself. An attitude that I adopted, that has worked out pretty well I think, is ...... "I'm willing to change, but changing from one error to another error doesn't make much sense." So, I've taken change seriously, but with much prayer and study willing to do so. May God bless you in your walk with Him.

Been Thinkin

navygoat1998 · #5 10-10-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Brother, you're preaching to the choir. I have changed many times in my maturing years and am not above changing again should I find myself in additional error. I didn't hop Org. I just left the big one and began to search out the scriptures for myself. An attitude that I adopted, that has worked out pretty well I think, is ...... "I'm willing to change, but changing from one error to another error doesn't make much sense." So, I've taken change seriously, but with much prayer and study willing to do so. May God bless you in your walk with Him.

Been Thinkin

So you would be Been Studyin