Thoughts on Yahoah???

[votivesoul]

Has anyone come across the idea that the Tetragrammaton (yod hay vov hay) is actually supposed to be pronounced Ya-Ho-Ah (or possibly Ya-Hoo-Ah)?

The idea is that the first syllable, made up of the yod and hay is correctly pronounced "yah" as in the word hallelujah which means "praise ye Yah".

Then, the next letter, the vov is actually supposed to be pronounced like an "o" or "u". An example given is the name Eliljah in Hebrew, which is pronounced and transliterated Eli-Yahu, or Yah is my God (Consider also Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu).

Further evidence is given from the Hebrew name of Jesus, which is Yehoshua. It is spelled yod hay vov shin vov ayin in which, both uses of vov demonstrate, not a "v" or "w" sound (as in Jehova or Yahweh) but rather an o/u sound.

And finally, since the name ends with hay, as in other Hebrew words/names, when they end the same way (i.e. with a hay) it makes for a barely aspirated "ah" sound).

Putting it all together then, the Tetragrammaton should be pronounced thusly:

Yah-(as in hallelujah)-O/OO-(from the vov being pronounced like an o/u as in the name Yehoshua or "Yah saves")-ah (as in the small aspirated sound from any Hebrew word or name that ends in hay

Ya-ho-ah

What do you all think?

Personally, I've seen such an idea casually dismissed, but I've never seen anyone offer proof that such a dismissal is warranted.

[Sean]

Brother, I believe that the closest record of an original name of the messiah was in Greek. The name given to Mary as the "common" language of their day was "Iesous".

[Monterrey]

Seeings that nobody really knows but God this sounds as good as any other theory...




Course, it can only be a theory like the others.

No way to prove it any more than the others.

[Sean]

Brother, If you would like to dsicuss it further, start a thread in the debate room, I may not notice this again. I found this thread by accident... Thanks

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Seeings that nobody really knows but God this sounds as good as any other theory...




Course, it can only be a theory like the others.

No way to prove it any more than the others.

Well, there are NO(0)ZERO ancient Hebrew New Testament manuscripts in existence today anywhere in the world. The Greek text is the primary text that are used to give us our New Testament(about 5000 copies). The name "Iesous" is the name found in the Greek text. Any modern Hebrew New Testament writings that exist today are "transliterations" from the Greek Text. Therefore the name Yashua or Yehoshua etc... are fabricated names from manuscripts that do not exist. (IT IS JUST ANOTHER ASSAULT ON THE NAME OF Iesous or JESUS)

I was oblivious to all of this until the new JEWISH JESUS thing started to sweep into Christianity years ago.

Daniel Seagraves did a book on the subject(The name of Jesus is not Yeshua) that is fascinating and eye opening.

This movement is akin to the JWs.(they are attacking the translators, your bible and the name of Jesus).

I should know, I spent about 160 hours debating them face to face last year.(these were law keeping oneness pentecostals...)

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, there are NO(0)ZERO ancient Hebrew New Testament manuscripts in existence today anywhere in the world. The Greek text is the primary text that are used to give us our New Testament(about 5000 copies). The name "Iesous" is the name found in the Greek text. Any modern Hebrew New Testament writings that exist today are "transliterations" from the Greek Text. Therefore the name Yashua or Yehoshua etc... are fabricated names from manuscripts that do not exist. (IT IS JUST ANOTHER ASSAULT ON THE NAME OF Iesous or JESUS)

I was oblivious to all of this until the new JEWISH JESUS thing started to sweep into Christianity years ago.

Daniel Seagraves did a book on the subject(The name of Jesus is not Yeshua) that is fascinating and eye opening.

This movement is akin to the JWs.(they are attacking the translators, your bible and the name of Jesus).

I should know, I spent about 160 hours debating them face to face last year.(these were law keeping oneness pentecostals...)

Sounds good to me.

[FlamingZword]

Well our whole Christianity comes from Jewish roots, so obviously the name of God and of Jesus must have originally been Jewish, in the region of Galilee the main language was Aramaic a close descendent of the old Hebrew language.

Now there are plenty of variations on the Hebrew Tetagramathon YHWH, so it is possible one of those variations might be the actual way it was pronounced.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well our whole Christianity comes from Jewish roots, so obviously the name of God and of Jesus must have originally been Jewish, in the region of Galilee the main language was Aramaic a close descendent of the old Hebrew language.

Now there are plenty of variations on the Hebrew Tetagramathon YHWH, so it is possible one of those variations might be the actual way it was pronounced.

How many people do you know that have ancestors that arrived in this country(not speaking English), and in 100 years, their modern family members still speak the same language "only" that their great grandparents spoke???? I know of none...

The Jews were under "domination" and scattered all over into the nations of the world powers of their day. OVER 500 YEARS. They ALL spoke Greek in the days of the messiah. They HAD to, to survive...That was the language of the ROMAN EMPIRE. Do you know one African American (descendent) living here that speaks one sentence of the African dialect? 150 years later. I do not know even one.


The Bible says "in the fullness of time...God sent forth His Son"....Why did God choose to do this when they(Jews) were occupied by Gentile powers???...Because the Jews originally had an exclusive language. it (the Hebrew language) would have left out ALL Gentiles...That is why God waited to get the "gospel" into the hands of ALL men, immediately, by having it written in the most widely known "LANGUAGE OF THE DAY"... Greek.

[votivesoul]

This isn't meant as a debate. It's only to gather thoughts on the ideas presented, especially how casually the pronunciation of Yahoah gets dismissed without any linguistic evidence.

This isn't a sacred name argument for Yahshua or any of that.

I have no problem with the name Jesus, Iesous, Joshua, Jeshua, Yeshua, Yehoshua, Jesu, Yesu, and/or even Issa, and etc. They are all the same name just in different languages.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well our whole Christianity comes from Jewish roots, so obviously the name of God and of Jesus must have originally been Jewish, in the region of Galilee the main language was Aramaic a close descendent of the old Hebrew language.

Now there are plenty of variations on the Hebrew Tetagramathon YHWH, so it is possible one of those variations might be the actual way it was pronounced.

Ditto's. And how could it be that the most important name in the Jewish scriptures got lost? I usually use the short version YAH by Psalms 68:4.