Could this be a plausible explanation of AFF's view on The Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
There is you, your presence, and your word that is spoken in your presence, and if your word has power like maybe, a king or a general it goes out and returns fulfilled to your satisfaction. Hence having the same power of the speaker of that word, but still are one, and of one.
There is God (the Father) the Word of God (the Son of God that is of God that goes out and returns fulfilled to the satisfaction of God the Father of whom the Word is of. These two are in the Presence of God (Holy Spirit), but still are one, and of one.
Hence taking into consideration the Power that is of God the Most High the Almighty. He is God His Word is God and His Presence is God.
If you were a King you are King your Presence is King (like make way for the King for example) and your word is King. All three are treated the same, in the kingdom of the King. So all three carry the same authority, as God, and His Word and His Presence. This is the true essence of true absolute and sovereign power. Hence how the Lord God is manifest to His creation.
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I don't know about AFF we have some devout Trinitarians.... some of them always Trinny others backslidden apostolics. (sic)
personally I don't get why this is so difficult.
Geebus told his followers to baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit....
Peter took that charge and when asked what must be done, to be Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ (for the remission of sin...)
Paul said God was manifest in the flesh, seen of angels, preached to the gentiles, called up into glory.... one Lord, one Faith, one baptism... One God and Father of all who is above all, through all and IN YOU ALL...
why are we even having this conversation?
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Re: AFF's view on The Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
I would say no that is not my understanding of Apostolic Friends Forum's view other manifestations of the father, son , holy ghost.
God is father in his relationship with us. He wrapped himself in flesh as part of his plan to save us and be salvation to us.
Jesus was/is God. If you try to separate the two, you have failed to understand who Jesus is. Jesus was both example to us and our God. God was hit literal father because he is the person who conceived Jesus. God is not limited that he could not sit on the throne while still being wrapped in flesh as Jesus.
The Holy Ghost is God's spirit inside us. The Holy Ghost works through us because that is the way God chooses to do it.
I apologize if I made any mistakes or was unable to convey the thought well enough.
The Holy Ghost is God. "The Father is God. Jesus is God. Not a part of God. Not some separate person in some fictional three-pronged /person Godhead. Each of them are manifestations of God. We could say if a person has the Holy Ghost they have Jesus inside them just as we could say the Father inside them.
Again, I apologize if I made any mistakes or was unable to convey the thought well enough.
Re: AFF's view on The Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
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Well when asked about, or some one post the question of how the three are one, I use this explanation or some version of it. I’ve only been on this site a day or two and it seems to be an issue here to the point that a adim has posted some restrictions to the threads on the subject. So to see if what I understand as the three in one or three are one is agreeable with this site or not is why I posted it.
I do believe the confusion is just because many don’t really know the Lord.
Even sites like Catholic sites you will find that no one can explain the three are one. And it’s the Catholic Church that adopted the “Trinity” theology, back in the 3 or 4 hundreds AD. They like to give you that “it’s a mystery” answer. When it isn’t at all. The Spirit of God move on the face of the waters (God’s Presence is now in His creation) then God said, the revelation of God’s will and Word within His creation while He is in His creation, or in His Presence. (A side note; notice that “let there be Light” that darkness always makes way for the Light, even physical light.)
One can go to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Abraham in the eyes of the Israelites is the father Isaac is the first of the father and was offered and was God’s chosen (yes I know Ishmael was before Isaac but we are talking about the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob not a god of Ishmael and his descendants). Now note that non-believes don’t get the God the Father thing, but they are not born of the Spirit. So the Spirit, that Jacob represented, whereas his name was changed to Israel and the Jews are the Children of Israel that started with 12. Therefore no other Spirit but the Spirit that is of the Father through the Son. (Note that it is Jesus that baptizes with the Holy Spirit and Fire).
In other words the Lord insists that we see the three as One. Therefore one is not without the other, as in Jesus’ constant teaching of the Father in Him and He in the Father also with, and needless to say the Holy Spirt being the Presence of God.
This isn’t to be contentious or vexing, I get enough of that on other sites, it’s just to understand the stand here.
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Originally Posted by Servant's <3
I would say no that is not my understanding of Apostolic Friends Forum's view other manifestations of the father, son , holy ghost.
God is father in his relationship with us. He wrapped himself in flesh as part of his plan to save us and be salvation to us.
Jesus was/is God. If you try to separate the two, you have failed to understand who Jesus is. Jesus was both example to us and our God. God was hit literal father because he is the person who conceived Jesus. God is not limited that he could not sit on the throne while still being wrapped in flesh as Jesus.
The Holy Ghost is God's spirit inside us. The Holy Ghost works through us because that is the way God chooses to do it.
I apologize if I made any mistakes or was unable to convey the thought well enough.
The Holy Ghost is God. "The Father is God. Jesus is God. Not a part of God. Not some separate person in some fictional three-pronged /person Godhead. Each of them are manifestations of God. We could say if a person has the Holy Ghost they have Jesus inside them just as we could say the Father inside them.
Again, I apologize if I made any mistakes or was unable to convey the thought well enough.
It’s seems you might understand the AFF’s view, but you don’t seem to understand the view in the OP. If you look again maybe you will see that the OP is the same or at the least, very similar, view or understanding.
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AFF doesn't "have a view" but we do have a lot of different views expressed by a lot of different posters. Within the Oneness believers there are multiple views of how to express the Oneness view.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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