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05-07-2017, 11:57 AM
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Christian Life Center Stockton CA
I saw a FB post this morning about someone visiting Christian Life Center in Stockton for church and that spurred me to check out their live webcast of their service.
i was pretty shocked when the wide camera shot shows that the auditorium is about 2/3 empty. Now the wide shot only shows one side of the sanctuary and that side of the balcony but if the same holds true for the right side, wow!
Looks like may 1000-1500 people in an auditorium I have been told seats about 5,000. Since they have been in it for years and don't seem to be growing it makes me wonder why they don't just have the Sunday services back at the old sanctuary where I understand they have their midweek service? If I remember correctly it seats around 3,000 and could clearly handle about double the number of people I see in this service.
I know some AFF posters are out of or have ties to this church so perhaps they can shed some light on this.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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05-07-2017, 01:58 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
I have never been to the new church. Yes, the old church could seat 3,000. I have no idea what the current attendance is.
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05-07-2017, 02:13 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
They're all on Facebook, no need to waste gas.
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05-07-2017, 03:18 PM
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This is still that!
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
the good news is they have room to grow
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05-07-2017, 04:36 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
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Originally Posted by Amanah
the good news is they have room to grow
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Apparently they have had that room for quite a while now! If a 3,000 seat sanctuary did not seem large enough when KH was pastor so he built the new one before leaving to GS then I have to assume they have not had the same trajectory of growth since his son became Pastor.
It would interesting to know what CLC's attendance is now vs the last year KH was pastor.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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05-07-2017, 05:35 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
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Originally Posted by CC1
Apparently they have had that room for quite a while now! If a 3,000 seat sanctuary did not seem large enough when KH was pastor so he built the new one before leaving to GS then I have to assume they have not had the same trajectory of growth since his son became Pastor.
It would interesting to know what CLC's attendance is now vs the last year KH was pastor.
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What is the largest church in the town where your church is located?
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05-07-2017, 06:40 PM
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This is still that!
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
more info from their web page
Our West Lane Campus is our primary campus at Christian Life Center. In addition to hosting midweek and Sunday evening services in the main sanctuary, it is home to many of our administrative offices, chapel, library, and bookstore...
Sun, 6:00 PM
Evening Worship
Freedom Ministry..Chapel
Wed, 7:00 PM
Bible Study
Kids Classes
Youth Service
Young Adult Service
Freedom Ministry
Multicultural Services
Sun, 9:00 AM
Asian Hmong..Service
Sun, 1:30 PM
Asian Lao Service
Sun, 4:00 PM
Spanish..Service
Thurs, 7:00 PM
Asian Lao Service
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05-07-2017, 07:01 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
What is the largest church in the town where your church is located?
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World Outreach Center pastored by Allen Jackson. Town of just over 100,000 people. Five weekend services, two on Saturday and three on Sunday. Not sure how many folks over the four services but their sanctuary seats over 2,000 and I think they have overflow rooms. Have heard numbers from 4,000 to 8,000 folks but don't really know.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Last edited by CC1; 05-07-2017 at 07:04 PM.
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05-07-2017, 07:38 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
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Originally Posted by CC1
World Outreach Center pastored by Allen Jackson. Town of just over 100,000 people. Five weekend services, two on Saturday and three on Sunday. Not sure how many folks over the four services but their sanctuary seats over 2,000 and I think they have overflow rooms. Have heard numbers from 4,000 to 8,000 folks but don't really know.
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Ah, know of him, he is a real shapeshifter.
How does your church compare with his? Also how big is the biggest UPCI or Apostolic church in Murfreesboro two cee?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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05-07-2017, 07:39 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton CA
Alan Jackson?
Haven't really heard his music, but I hear he has a few fans.
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