Revelation 18

mizpeh · #1 12-27-2018, 09:01 AM

Has the prophesy in Revelation 18 happened yet?
Please explain...

Apostolic1ness · #2 12-27-2018, 10:07 AM

It appears to me that this is the chapter that the Rapture happens. So I dont believe this has happened yet.

mizpeh · #3 12-27-2018, 10:49 AM

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It appears to me that this is the chapter that the Rapture happens. So I dont believe this has happened yet.

This is the chapter about the fall of Babylon.

Apostolic1ness · #4 12-27-2018, 11:03 AM

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This is the chapter about the fall of Babylon.

I think its the chapter of the rapture leading up to the wrath of God in the next chapter.

Michael The Disciple · #5 12-28-2018, 04:20 PM

Babylon is Fallen

Rev 18:11-19

11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. 15The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, 18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

This does not sound like the Catholic Church to me. It sounds like an economic power.

Michael The Disciple · #6 12-28-2018, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Has the prophesy in Revelation 18 happened yet?
Please explain...

I vote no. It seems to happen about the time Jesus comes. Some will say it was Jerusalem ad 70 I'm sure. If so they have a "gap" problem every bit as big as the "dispensationalists".

Bowas · #7 12-30-2018, 04:42 PM

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I vote no. It seems to happen about the time Jesus comes. Some will say it was Jerusalem ad 70 I'm sure. If so they have a "gap" problem every bit as big as the "dispensationalists".

The "gap" dispensationalist propose is not what is detailed in Revelation. Revelation is what occurs after the 490 years (70 weeks) were completed, which was completed 3.5 years after Jesus' crucifixion where we find other than the Jews admitted into the kingdom, but Revelation doesn't describe any supposed gap concerning Daniels's 70 weeks.

mizpeh · #8 01-01-2019, 06:30 AM

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I vote no. It seems to happen about the time Jesus comes. Some will say it was Jerusalem ad 70 I'm sure. If so they have a "gap" problem every bit as big as the "dispensationalists".

I don't think it has happened yet, either.
It isn't speaking of the city of Babylon belonging to Nebuchaddrezar which remains uninhabited.
It is in reference to a real, existing city at that time. I think Rome.
Rome still exists and isn't completely abandoned, therefore it hasn't happened yet.
Not Jerusalem 70ad, since Jerusalem is still inhabited. And Jesus is coming back to rule over an uninhabited city.

Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Bowas · #9 01-02-2019, 07:09 AM

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I don't think it has happened yet, either.
It isn't speaking of the city of Babylon belonging to Nebuchaddrezar which remains uninhabited.
It is in reference to a real, existing city at that time. I think Rome.
Rome still exists and isn't completely abandoned, therefore it hasn't happened yet.
Not Jerusalem 70ad, since Jerusalem is still inhabited. And Jesus is coming back to rule over an uninhabited city.

Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Have you cross referenced these verses to see who it says is guilty of all the blood shed upon the earth?

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Apostolic1ness · #10 01-02-2019, 08:00 AM

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Have you cross referenced these verses to see who it says is guilty of all the blood shed upon the earth?

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I dont believe this is speaking of a specific city of Babylon but rather the sinful world. Verse 24 says "in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth"
how could the blood of all that were slain upon the earth be in Babylon? unless Babylon is referring to the sinful world.