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07-12-2007, 10:36 PM
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Hebrews 11:35 What do you think this means?
Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
What is this verse saying to you?
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07-13-2007, 03:59 AM
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These are things that the prophets of old did through faith. By faith they raised people from the dead. By faith they accepted that the kingdom of heaven promised was far better to acquire than anything on earth, and so they acquiesced to torture rather than compromise their faith and their hope in attainment of the promise.
Their resurrection will be "better" if on the judgment day they can say that their faith was never compromised, not even in the face of torture.
Heavenly rewards are not equal among those that make heaven.
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07-13-2007, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
These are things that the prophets of old did through faith. By faith they raised people from the dead. By faith they accepted that the kingdom of heaven promised was far better to acquire than anything on earth, and so they acquiesced to torture rather than compromise their faith and their hope in attainment of the promise.
Their resurrection will be "better" if on the judgment day they can say that their faith was never compromised, not even in the face of torture.
Heavenly rewards are not equal among those that make heaven.
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I thought only 144,000 are going to make Heaven and the rest of us will be here in the New Earth.
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07-13-2007, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rico
I thought only 144,000 are going to make Heaven and the rest of us will be here in the New Earth.
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You're right about everything but the word 'us.'
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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07-13-2007, 04:30 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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You're right about everything but the word 'us.'
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I was just starting to like you.............. 
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07-13-2007, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jwharv
Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
What is this verse saying to you?
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Well, I would think that if you accepted deliverance from torture for what you stood for you would, in essence, be denying God.
A better resurrection would be, if you did not deny Him by accepting deliverance, you would be accepted into His Everlasting Kingdom.
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07-13-2007, 06:44 AM
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I was just starting to like you.............. |
I've got to nip that sort of thing in the bud!
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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07-13-2007, 07:44 PM
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I have a 1611 KJV and at Hebrews 11:35 there is a cross reference to 2 Maccabees 7:7. The newer, liberal versions of the KJV do not have that reference nor do they include the book of 2 Maccabees which is referenced there.
Y'all need to get a more conservative, older Bible.
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