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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
Indeed. Even Trinitarians have trouble understanding and communicating it clearly. They will jump back and forth between two definitions when running into trouble using just one of them.
He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Seems clear to me that Jesus was claiming to be the Father, that he was the Father. The NT says Jesus created the world, making him the Father, right?
Oneness people believe Jesus is Father and Son and Spirit. But if we are speaking about God manifesting himself, then we should not be surprised to realize he has manifested himself in many ways, not limited to these 3.
Hey Dom, if Jesus is I AM and I Am Is Jehovah, does that mean Jesus is the Father when it was Jehovah who created the world? What does Father mean but "originator"?
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I’m answering your literal question with a literal answer. Sometimes it helps to clear up confusion. The following is cut and pasted from Merriam Webster’s online dictionary. Your “originator” definition falls under number 5. So I hope this helps answer the question “what does father mean but “originator”?”
The obvious answer would be that Jesus was God’s only begotten son.
fa·ther | \ ˈfä-t͟hər \
plural fathers
Definition (Entry 1 of 2)
1 a (1) : a male parent
(2) : a man who has begotten a child
also : a male animal who has sired an offspring
b capitalized
(1) : GOD sense 1
(2) : the first person of the Trinity (see TRINITY sense 1)
2 : FOREFATHER
//the founding fathers
3 a : one related to another in a way suggesting that of father to child
b : an old man —used as a respectful form of address
4 often capitalized : a pre-Scholastic (see SCHOLASTIC sense 1a) Christian writer accepted by the church as an authoritative witness to its teaching and practice
— called also church father
5 a : one that originates or institutes
//the father of modern science
b : SOURCE
//… the sun, the father of warmth and light.
— Lena M. Whitney
c : PROTOTYPE
//the father of all libraries in the country
6 : a priest of the regular clergy
broadly : PRIEST —used especially as a title
7 : one of the leading men (as of a city) —usually used in plural
//a council of the city fathers
verb
fathered; fathering \ ˈfä-t͟hə-riŋ , ˈfät͟h-riŋ \
Definition (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb
1 a : BEGET
b : to be the founder, producer, or author of
//fathered the improvement plan
c : to accept responsibility for
2 a : to fix the paternity or origin of
b : to place responsibility for the origin or cause of
//collected gossip and fathered it on responsible men
— J. A. Williamson
3 : FOIST, IMPOSE
intransitive verb
: to care for or look after someone as a father might
Hybrid Mode
