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Old 03-15-2010, 07:32 AM
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Help Can Someone Please Explain Hebrews Chapter 7

Was melchizadeck a type and shadow of Jesus Christ? So when Abraham tithed to him, is that an a example for us to tithe to Jesus. Please explain? I just want the truth?
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Was melchizadeck a type and shadow of Jesus Christ? So when Abraham tithed to him, is that an a example for us to tithe to Jesus. Please explain? I just want the truth?
The point of Abraham tithing a tenth of the spoils from his battle with the confederation of kings is to show that the life which Jesus Christ gives is superior to the OT Law.

And notice, Abraham "tithed" not just from his share of the spoils but from "all" and then after giving Melchizedek 10% he gave the proper share to each of the commanders among his troops for distribution and then returned the bulk of the lot to the king of Sodom (from whom it had been stolen to begin with) - Abraham didn't just "tithe" here - he gave it all away!

That's our true example in giving. But this passage isn't really about whether or not to tithe. It's about Jesus Christ being superior to the OT Law. Abraham's action is just mentioned to bolster that point.

"But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better."

Abraham was "blessed by the better" even though Abraham had the Levitical priesthood within his loins. This priesthood that Melchizedek possessed is then said to be a "better" (or higher) priesthood than the Levitical priesthood that was established under the Law.

Hebrews 6:20 obviously intends for us to understand that Jesus Christ is a priest after the same "order" or rank and authority.

Does this mean you should tithe to Jesus Christ? Well, I would hope that if He should appear in the life time of your material prosperity that you would in fact give Him all. Jesus Christ appearing to us as Melchizedek did to Abraham would certainly be an event that would demand our all.

In the mean time, a tithe is generally understood as a good standard of giving. Just beware that you're not building someone else's horse farm and that the money is actually going to minister to "widows and orphans," (1 Timothy 5:16 and James 1:27) "the poor" (Romans 15:26) and to further the preaching of the Gospel (Galatians 4:15).
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Re: Help Can Someone Please Explain Hebrews Chapte

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Was melchizadeck a type and shadow of Jesus Christ? So when Abraham tithed to him, is that an a example for us to tithe to Jesus. Please explain? I just want the truth?
In my opinion,
M. was a man who happened to be a king/priest of Salem.
I guess he was monotheist living among many who believed in multiple gods so Avram gave him one tenth of the spoils.
He lived before the Levitical priesthood and we have no record of his geneology so it says he was without father.....etc.
Because he was a king/priest outside of the Levitical or Aaronic priesthood, the author of Hebrews (Paul? or maybe Priscilla?) uses him as a type of Christ who is also a king/priest from outside the Aaronic line.

Other beliefs among OP's are that he was a theophany (pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus as the Angel of the Lord) or that he was Noah's son Shem.
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Re: Help Can Someone Please Explain Hebrews Chapte

Here is an article from an Apostolic minister about Melchizedek.


Who did Abraham pay his tithes to?
Was it God or was it man?
by Bishop Boyd C. Lawson

In Genesis 14:18-20, Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek. The 7th chapter of
Hebrews tells us that Melchizdek is an “Office”. Hebrews 7:12 tells us it is two
offices combine; first, “High Priest” (King of Righteousness); and the second,
“King of Salem” (Jerusalem) meaning king of peace.

Remember we must have two or three witnesses for verification. 2nd Cor. 13:1
in our Bible, Joshua 10:13 and 2nd Samuel 1:18 tell us of a book called “Jasher”
that is not included in our Bible. Jasher 16:11 tells us that it was Shem that
Abraham paid his tithes to.

Remember that our Bible is not a history book, but it tells us of characters
and events that took place in history. The first Man, Adam was the first
Melchizedek. He was king and also Priest. Today we would call this Church
and state combined (two offices together). There were ten Melchizedeks. The
first Melchizedek was Adam Gen. 5:1-2; the second was Seth Gen. 5:3 and the
third was Enos; Gen. 5:6. The book of Jasher tells us throughout the day of
Enos, men began to depart from God and began making images to worship. The
4th Melchizedek was Cainan; Gen. 5:9 and through him God spoke first of
destroying the world by water (flood). The 5th Melchizedek was Mahalaleel;
Gen. 5:12 and the 6th was Jared; Gen. 5:15. In the book of Jude, verse 14 tells
us of the 7th Melchizedek who was Enoch, the 7th from Adam; Gen. 5:18. Enoch
was translated because he had a testimony that pleased God, he warned the
people that not only the good but the bad would live again; Hebrews 9:27. The
8th Melchizedek was Noah Gen. 5:29, 2nd Peter2:5 Methuselah lived and
prophesied in the days of Noah. The 9th Melchizedek was Shem, Noah’s son.

The office of Melchizedek was handed down from father to his eldest son.
Genesis 11:11 tells us that Shem lived five hundred years after the flood and in
the book of Jasher 16:11it says that the man or “Melchizedek” that Abraham
paid tithes to was Shem.

There was not another Melchizedek until Jesus came Hebrews 7:17. The
tenth and last Melchizedek is Jesus Christ; he is our King and High Priest.
According to Hebrews 7:3, he is without father, without mother, without
decent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life. Hebrews 12 tells us
that we have now come unto Mount Zion, the Heavenly Jerusalem. This was
this was prophesied of Him in Gen. 49:10, Psalms 10:4, Isaiah 2:2 and
Hebrews 7:17. From the lions of Abraham, God through the Patriarchs,
separated the priesthood from the Kingship. He took the Priests from the tribe of Levi
and the Kings from the tribe of Judah, again referring to Hebrews 7:3 Melchizedek (office).
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Even if Hebrews 7 implied that we should give tithes to Jesus (not that I think it does, I agree with Pel), but even if it did imply that, then where is a scripture to show that tithing to pastors is a way of tithing to Jesus, because every example I see of tithing involves a person paying tithes directly to the one receiving their tithes and never indirectly.
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Was melchizadeck a type and shadow of Jesus Christ? So when Abraham tithed to him, is that an a example for us to tithe to Jesus. Please explain? I just want the truth?
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Does He take PayPal?
The church where I go will accept online donations and they are processed through PayPal. I've donated that way several times when I was unable to be at church to give in the offering or if I wanted the money to get to them between weekend offerings.
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Was melchizadeck a type and shadow of Jesus Christ? So when Abraham tithed to him, is that an a example for us to tithe to Jesus. Please explain? I just want the truth?
The author of Heb 7 does NOT say this is an example of how we should tithe to Jesus. Nope. That was not why he brought this up
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