How easy is it to Lose Salvation? - Page 13

Socialite · #**121** 02-04-2011, 12:59 PM

When sanctification becomes salvation, we are all in trouble. It's not longer, burden-less growing and learning in Christ... but it now becomes anxious, will I make it in the end, hellish living that we call religion.

BeenThinkin · #**122** 02-04-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

Luke's theology perfectly represents what I have been force-fed all of my life.

This idea that God is constantly looking for a reason to throw us into Hell is a huge part of the UC culture of fear.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd who gives His life for the sheep. He stands in the gap to protect us.

A shepherd is a gatherer. He's always looking for those who've strayed, and has, in fact, come to seek and save that which is lost. No shepherd worth his salt wants to destroy a sheep.

If you, being the sheep of His pasture, are lost, it's because you absolutely choose to be, and not because He drives you away.

Was it easy for the "one lost sheep" to get away? NO! The Shepherd left the ninety and nine and came looking for the one lost sheep! The Shepherd didn't take the attitude "oh well that's one less sheep that I'll have to put up with! He shouldn't have wandered away. He's on his own. I hope he finds his way back. And when he gets back if he doesn't show me some "action....works" that convince me that he has earned the right to be here...too bad!"

No, thank God it was not easy for the one lost sheep to get away!

Been Thinkin

Socialite · #**123** 02-04-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

so self righteosness is following after the Spirit? hmmm interesting!

Self-righteousness comes when you think your spirit-led works justify you. Your works, whether done in Christ, or done outside of Christ, don't justify you. They are a reality because you are already a new creation, adopted son, heir of salvation. That isn't suspended for the future. That is a reality NOW.

Charnock · #**124** 02-04-2011, 01:01 PM

There is no such thing as self-righteousness. It's a myth.

LUKE2447 · #**125** 02-04-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Luke at least learn one thing. There are not degrees of covenant, you are either in covenant or you are not, and a breech of covenant does NOT automatically void it and leave you without covering

you still miss my point. I am talking about levels of relationship toward a covenant and the other party. you breached it and it is broken and you are considered at emnity. He compels by love to repent and continue and abide in him again or he withdraws himself totaly.

LUKE2447 · #**126** 02-04-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

Self-righteousness comes when you think your spirit-led works justify you.

Oh like Abraham and doing God's will and being considered righteous by his response? Walking in faith and the Spirit bears witness/considers you a child of obedience and of right reponse..

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Your works, whether done in Christ, or done outside of Christ, don't justify you. They are a reality because you are already a new creation, adopted son, heir of salvation. That isn't suspended for the future. That is a reality NOW.

there you go again twisting meanings around and jumping all over the bouncey of OSAS and forensic justification. Actually they do and James said so as did Paul in the example of Abraham.

Socialite · #**127** 02-04-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

you still miss my point. I am talking about levels of relationship toward a covenant and the other party. you breached it and it is broken and you are considered at emnity. He compels by love to repent and continue and abide in him again or he withdraws himself totaly.

No... He is faithful even when we are sometimes not. That was MM's point. And that's why it sounded like you were referring to "levels" of covenant. This covenant is being broken and put together more times than a bottle of super glue can handle when we view justification in your perspective.

Socialite · #**128** 02-04-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Oh like Abraham and doing God's will and being considered righteous by his response? Walking in faith and the Spirit bears witness/considers you a child of obedience and of right reponse..

there you go again twisting meanings around and jumping all over the bouncey of OSAS and forensic justification. Actually they do and James said so as did Paul in the example of Abraham.

There you go skipping that first part of Abram's story where he was imputed righteousness. Believing God is the right response.

It's mind-boggling to suggest our record is cleared in the past, but that our record is how we are judged in the future. It's not on us, it's on Him. The cross was not limited to the past --- it extends into the present and future. Perfection doesn't keep me in covenant with Him. Faithfulness does.

Charnock · #**129** 02-04-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

There you go skipping that first part of Abram's story where he was imputed righteousness. Believing God is the right response.

It's mind-boggling to suggest our record is cleared in the past, but that our record is how we are judged in the future. It's not on us, it's on Him. The cross was not limited to the past --- it extends into the present and future. Perfection doesn't keep me in covenant with Him. Faithfulness does.

Excellent!

Socialite · #**130** 02-04-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

There is no such thing as self-righteousness. It's a myth.

No... that Mother Theresa woman is who they'd point to as self-righteous. Just because she did Christ's work doesn't mean she is saved. To view that way is self-righteousness.

It could never be the religious who point away from the Cross, and now have the spotlight on our performance (of course, the caveat, our performing "in Christ" and "through the Spirit") for eternal judgment. I guess God sees me after all... not Christ.