Going back to the UPC - Page 13

Jack Shephard · #**121** 03-24-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Good luck, JT. I'll keep you in my prayers. Lord knows you're going to need it. LoL

A very unbiased opinion from my friend. LOL Welcome back...it does seem that this is you

(TIC)

mfblume · #**122** 03-24-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

These churches are not that far apart. They both are Jesus name and such the main differences are the dress standards and the way they explain salvation is slightly different. UPC teaches you gotta do 1,2,and 3 for salvation and the other teaches salvation starts at repentance then one needs to continue on and be baptized and receive the HG. Not light years away.

Then it is of no real concern.

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Do you think that caring and taking of my familes needs are some how again what God wants? C'mon.

Sure God wants these. But he wants some things more than others. Think about it.

He also wants all the world to be saved, but He cannot disregard truth in order to see them all saved, and that was my comparative point.

But if the message preached is not very different, then so what about it all?

But truth is more important than family, brother. Surely you agree.

mfblume · #**123** 03-24-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzyde

I thought I had understood him to say the church that he had been attending was a former UPC church and also that it was still a OP church. If that is not the case, I agree with you to a certain extent, which is why I had indicated earlier on, that if this change did not challenge his principals, it was not wrong.

I, for one, do not feel that the standards issue should be something that would be too big of an issue to make peace over. Whether or not a person will lost or saved if they don't follow them, I don't believe anyone will be lost for following them, unless they have done it in a way the violates and perverts the Word of God (i.e. purity of intent).

I only spoke from a general perspective of VERY divergent belief systems. If that does not fit, then it is of little concern for which church is better. I agree with you, then.

Jack Shephard · #**124** 03-24-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzyde

I thought I had understood him to say the church that he had been attending was a former UPC church and also that it was still a OP church. If that is not the case, I agree with you to a certain extent, which is why I had indicated earlier on, that if this change did not challenge his principals, it was not wrong.

You are correct!

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Originally Posted by dizzyde

[I, for one, do not feel that the standards issue should be something that would be too big of an issue to make peace over. Whether or not a person will lost or saved if they don't follow them, I don't believe anyone will be lost for following them, unless they have done it in a way the violates and perverts the Word of God (i.e. purity of intent).

Yeah standards are not the reason behind any of this really.

freeatlast · #**125** 03-24-2008, 06:05 PM

If returning to the uPc meant retuning to a church that imposed and enforced the typical dress/hair stanards.....no way.

My daughter was 15 when we left all that "stuff". We got out just in time.

I would not raise a kid in an envirorment that fostered such judgementalism in people as did my former upc church.

mfblume · #**126** 03-24-2008, 06:06 PM

Some UPC churches do not foster judgmentalism. Some do. There's good and bad ones.

dizzyde · #**127** 03-24-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I only spoke from a general perspective of VERY divergent belief systems. If that does not fit, then it is of little concern for which church is better. I agree with you, then.

Exhaling relief!!!! LOL!!

GodsBabyGirl · #**128** 03-24-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Well, I heard about a couple who stayed together for years because of the children---- neither one of them wanted custody.

LOLOL!!!!

dizzyde · #**129** 03-24-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Some UPC churches do not foster judgmentalism. Some do. There's good and bad ones.

Agreed.

dizzyde · #**130** 03-24-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

If returning to the uPc meant retuning to a church that imposed and enforced the typical dress/hair stanards.....no way.

My daughter was 15 when we left all that "stuff". We got out just in time.

I would not raise a kid in an envirorment that fostered such judgementalism in people as did my former upc church.

Well, I for one am just SHOCKED at this response from you. SHOCKED!!!

(extreme TIC)