Christ As High Priest Interceding Now

[SDG]

Hebrews 10 mentions the fact that Christ's single offering has perfected forever those who are sanctified. We are complete in Him. But this needs to come out into our behaviour. And that cannot happen unless we GET this truth in our hearts and realize the impact it is saying. Here is where our CONSCIENCES require purging.

His blood paid for it all, but people who struggle and are self-defeating do not have their consciences purged. Their unnecessary guilt causes them to not even considering living up to what I am proposing we can live up to, as one of many examples. Hebrews 10 is repeating the emphasis of the fullness of Christ's work in order to encourage our faith and get us out of this self-defeating mode caused by lack of understanding. SO THAT OUR CONSCIENCES CAN BE PURGED.

The key is when we draw nigh unto God by placing our faith in Him and having His righteousness placed upon us.

It is for this reason the preacher of Pentecost clarifies what brings remittance/forgiveness of sins in chapter 3:19 when he says ...

Repent, and turn to God, so that your sins will be blotted out.

His work as High Priest happens at the point of faith ... not at the time of a religous rite ... like water baptism.

Water baptism is a picture of His death, burial and resurrection ... an outward sign of an inward work that began when we submitted our wills and hearts by drawing nigh to the Lamb and High Priest .

If it is baptism that is required then the writer would have stated so.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The key is when we draw nigh unto God by placing our faith in Him and having His righteousness placed upon us.

It is for this reason the preacher of Pentecost clarifies what brings remittance/forgiveness of sins in chapter 3:19 when he says ...

Repent, and turn to God, so that your sins will be blotted out.

His work as High Priest happens at the point of faith ... not at the time of a religous rite ... like water baptism.

But the religious rite is not intended to be done without the faith ath is the kicker in it all. That is why Jesus said "He that believeth and is baptized..."

Water baptism is a picture of His death, burial and resurrection ... an outward sign of an inward work that began when we submitted our wills and hearts by drawing nigh to the Lamb and High Priest .

If it is baptism that is required then the writer would have stated so.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted

REPENT and BE CONVERTED. Two elements. I think the TURNING and converting in Acts 3 involves a reference to baptism. Repentance accompanied with baptism is the idea. And the emphasis Romans 6 puts upon baptism stresses the issue quite clearly. But we must recall it is FAITH in it, when we do it.

For some reason, God wants us -- commands us -- to act these things out. As in communion. But it has to have faith in it.

But anyway, back to the issue.

[mfblume]

I want to add a point noted in the other thread about the MAN JESUS, etc. I do believe this intercession and priesthood of Christ ends when 1 Cor 15's note of the Son giving all things over to the Fatheris fulfilled. That has not yet happened. After the resurrection, there will be no need for priesthood/intercession/mediation, etc.

[berkeley]

Leave it to Blume to bring some steak to the table while some are sipping milk...

Props..

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

But the religious rite is not intended to be done without the faith ath is the kicker in it all. That is why Jesus said "He that believeth and is baptized..."





REPENT and BE CONVERTED. Two elements. I think the TURNING and converting in Acts 3 involves a reference to baptism. Repentance accompanied with baptism is the idea. And the emphasis Romans 6 puts upon baptism stresses the issue quite clearly. But we must recall it is FAITH in it, when we do it.

For some reason, God wants us -- commands us -- to act these things out. As in communion. But it has to have faith in it.

But anyway, back to the issue.

Unfortunately, Elder your "interpretation" of Acts 3:19 is based on the 1611 language you blasted the other day. The KJV uses the word "converted" which for the sacramentalist, of course involves a multi-step "soul wash process" while the Greek word Epistrepho which connotes turning to God ...

Epistrepho

1. transitively
2. to turn to
   1. to the worship of the true God
3. to cause to return, to bring back
   1. to the love and obedience of God
   2. to the love for the children
   3. to love wisdom and righteousness
4. intransitively
5. to turn to one's self
6. to turn one's self about, turn back
7. to return, turn back, come back

NASB "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

metanohsate(5657)ounkaiepistreyate(5657)eivto ecaleifqhnai umwntavamartiav,

The same preacher at Pentecost, Peter, knew what the writer of Hebrews knew when in various instances he tells us that the work of our Lamb and High Priest begins when WE DRAW NIGH UNTO GOD .... are sins are wiped away, blotted, remitted, forgiven at REPENTANCE ....

The very same writer of Acts ... Luke in his Gospel tells us our sins remitted/forgiven/blotted out/wiped out [aphesis] at repentance.

Luke 24:47


and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

kaikhruxqhnai(5683)epitwonomatiautoumetanoianeivafesinamartiwneivpantataeqnh arcamenoi apoIerousalhm;

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Unfortunately, Elder your "interpretation" of Acts 3:19 is based on the 1611 language you blasted the other day. The KJV uses the word "converted" which for the sacramentalist, of course involves a multi-step "soul wash process" while the Greek word Epistrepho which connotes turning to God ...

Epistrepho

1. transitively
2. to turn to
   1. to the worship of the true God
3. to cause to return, to bring back
   1. to the love and obedience of God
   2. to the love for the children
   3. to love wisdom and righteousness
4. intransitively
5. to turn to one's self
6. to turn one's self about, turn back
7. to return, turn back, come back

NASB "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

metanohsate(5657)ounkaiepistreyate(5657)eivto ecaleifqhnai umwntavamartiav,

The same preacher at Pentecost, Peter, knew what the writer of Hebrews knew when in various instances he tells us that the work of our Lamb and High Priest begins when WE DRAW NIGH UNTO GOD .... are sins are wiped away, blotted, remitted, forgiven at REPENTANCE ....

The very same writer of Acts ... Luke in his Gospel tells us our sins remitted/forgiven/blotted out/wiped out [aphesis] at repentance.

Luke 24:47


and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

kaikhruxqhnai(5683)epitwonomatiautoumetanoianeivafesinamartiwneivpantataeqnh arcamenoi apoIerousalhm;

(and the church says "AMEN!")

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Darcie

(and the church says "AMEN!")

Water baptism is simply a must, either way you look at it. And as I said, Romans 6 clealry states this. And romans 6 shows the all important element of fiath, without which there is no baptism anyway.

But dudes, let's get back into this issue.

Please give your remarks on these scriptures and show me where my reaosning fails, if you think it does.

This issue of Christ's priesthodo IS MORE THAN JUST pointing a finger at the blood for us. It is the MEAT of the book of Hebrews, at Hebrews' own admission.

What is it with Hebrews? We bring this issue up and it dies quickly everytime. Come, folks. Let's reason together.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Water baptism is simply a must, either way you look at it. And as I said, Romans 6 clealry states this. And romans 6 shows the all important element of fiath, without which there is no baptism anyway.

But dudes, let's get back into this issue.

Please give your remarks on these scriptures and show me where my reaosning fails, if you think it does.

This issue of Christ's priesthodo IS MORE THAN JUST pointing a finger at the blood for us. It is the MEAT of the book of Hebrews, at Hebrews' own admission.

What is it with Hebrews? We bring this issue up and it dies quickly everytime. Come, folks. Let's reason together.

You have chosen to only look at Christ's role of High Priest from the point of view of practical living for saints yet you will not discuss at what point he takes on this role for the new convert.

This is beauty in understanding the better promises of the new covenant from both angles.

No one has argued that baptism is a must ... as are many of the slew of commandments in the bible. Romans 6 in no way refutes the statements I've made. When we are immersed into the Spirit of Christ and his blood we receive the benefits spoken about by the writer in Hebrews.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You have chosen to only look at Christ's role of High Priest from the point of view of practical living for saints yet you will not discuss at what point he takes on this role for the new convert.

This is beauty in understanding the better promises of the new covenant from both angles.

No one has argued that baptism is a must ... as are many of the slew of commandments in the bible. Romans 6 in no way refutes the statements I've made. When we are immersed into the Spirit of Christ and his blood we receive the benefits spoken about by the writer in Hebrews.

I added your thoughts, with my responses, about baptism i nthe thread about Acts 2:38 and the first few chapters of Acts.

However, I am saying Hebrews is teaching how the high priesthood applies to believers. I am taking Hebrews' lead here, not adding my own thoughts. What say ye about Hebrews' context in the passages I mentioined?

[mfblume]

Bump for Daniel.