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03-14-2013, 02:40 PM
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Inclusive Bible Laguage?
is using Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer better than using Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in order to address feminist theologians concern of patriarchy and male bias by referring to God as male?
"God's activity in creating, in redeeming, and in sustaining is subversive of concepts of domination and subordination that have characterized theological reflection on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
quote from "Lift Every Voice, Constructing Christian Theologies from the Underside.
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03-14-2013, 02:43 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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03-14-2013, 02:55 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
If they do not like the titles that God gave Himself they should ask Him to change them Himself because we as mankind have no business trying to correct God!
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03-14-2013, 03:16 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
is using Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer better than using Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in order to address feminist theologians concern of patriarchy and male bias by referring to God as male?
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No
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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03-14-2013, 03:30 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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is using Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer better than using Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in order to address feminist theologians concern of patriarchy and male bias by referring to God as male?
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NO!!! I'm not even sure there should be feminist theologians (from Paul's letters in the NT)
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03-14-2013, 03:46 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Luke
If they do not like the titles that God gave Himself they should ask Him to change them Himself because we as mankind have no business trying to correct God!
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"The New Testament and Psalms is a new version of the Bible that speaks more directly than ever before to today's social concerns, especially the move towards universal inclusivity. This revolutionary new version pushes the English language to new levels of inclusive expression. The noted scholars who produced this work address issues of gender, race and ethnicity more directly than ever before. The resulting version is one that can truly be said to speak to all people."
http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Testam...alms+inclusive
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03-14-2013, 04:33 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
When you need more than the Death, Burial, and Resurrection to speak to people, you're saying the wrong things.
When you won't submit yourself to Jesus Christ while seeing Him crucified for your sins, but you will submit yourself to a mental image you construct based on the gender of your preference, you are practicing idolatry.
I can't believe this is a topic that is seriously being presented as a legitimate Gospel.
Galatians 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9-10 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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03-14-2013, 05:11 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by stephenroehm
When you need more than the Death, Burial, and Resurrection to speak to people, you're saying the wrong things.
When you won't submit yourself to Jesus Christ while seeing Him crucified for your sins, but you will submit yourself to a mental image you construct based on the gender of your preference, you are practicing idolatry.
I can't believe this is a topic that is seriously being presented as a legitimate Gospel.
Galatians 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9-10 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. |
no one is changing the message of the gospel only the names we call God. do you really think that God is a male? Isn't the word creator more apt at describing God than Father? did christ have to be a male? do women need a male savior? can't son be called redeemer and be less offensive to gender sensitive women while preserving an apt description of the son's role? i think this language makes sense.
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03-14-2013, 05:30 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
no one is changing the message of the gospel only the names we call God. do you really think that God is a male? Isn't the word creator more apt at describing God than Father? did christ have to be a male? do women need a male savior? can't son be called redeemer and be less offensive to gender sensitive women while preserving an apt description of the son's role? i think this language makes sense.
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No, no, yes, no, no!!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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03-14-2013, 05:35 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
no one is changing the message of the gospel only the names we call God. do you really think that God is a male? Isn't the word creator more apt at describing God than Father? did christ have to be a male? do women need a male savior? can't son be called redeemer and be less offensive to gender sensitive women while preserving an apt description of the son's role? i think this language makes sense.
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Why do you think WE can change God's name? Gender sensitive women? Can we change God?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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