Inclusive Bible Laguage?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i haven't read the inclusive bible so i don't know how any changes would effect context. i was mainly referring to changing speech instead of scripture, but would like to see the scripture changes for myself. anyways, thought some women might be interested in this topic and the options available. i do agree that objective truth is an issue. who decides what is truth? on what grounds are these assertions made? is truth relative to individual subjectivity or absolute? would like to read a christian apologist tackle this issue in light of the claims of philosophy.

What claims of philosophy?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What claims of philosophy?

i haven't read a lot of philosophy, but the little i know is that it mainly deals with epistemology(knowledge) and metaphysics(spirituality). under epistemology, some philosophers taught we have innate knowledge, others later taught we only know what we experience as individuals. i believe post modernism teaches that all knowledge is relative to the individual and influenced by community and culture. i really haven't studied that deep. i think this book might address some of these issues. click "look inside" to see table of contents.

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Opinion...=ITNJGYXKEZZ38

Epistemology (i/ɨˌpɪstɨˈmɒlədʒi/ from Greek ἐπιστήμη - epistēmē, meaning "knowledge, understanding", and λόγος - logos, meaning "study of") is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge.[1][2] It questions what knowledge is, how it is acquired, and the possible extent to which a given subject or entity can be known.
Much of the debate in this field has focused on analyzing the nature of knowledge and how it relates to connected notions such as truth, belief, and justification.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i haven't read a lot of philosophy, but the little i know is that it mainly deals with epistemology(knowledge) and metaphysics(spirituality). under epistemology, some philosophers taught we have innate knowledge, others later taught we only know what we experience as individuals. i believe post modernism teaches that all knowledge is relative to the individual and influenced by community and culture. i really haven't studied that deep. i think this book might address some of these issues. click "look inside" to see table of contents.

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Opinion...=ITNJGYXKEZZ38

Epistemology (i/ɨˌpɪstɨˈmɒlədʒi/ from Greek ἐπιστήμη - epistēmē, meaning "knowledge, understanding", and λόγος - logos, meaning "study of") is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge.[1][2] It questions what knowledge is, how it is acquired, and the possible extent to which a given subject or entity can be known.
Much of the debate in this field has focused on analyzing the nature of knowledge and how it relates to connected notions such as truth, belief, and justification.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology

Philosophy is a broad topic, what is "it" what does Philosophy have to do with the topic? Can you be specific ?

I know what philosophy is I don't know what you are talking about though with regards to the topic

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by jen4yeshua

I know, but the reasoning behind the change you are referring to is similar to what I have described. As I said earlier, there is a trend among pagan women to refer to God as a woman. The changing of scriptures in the way that you are describing, in my opinion, is a step in that direction. If someone is reading that version of the bible, are they going to pray to the creator, baptise in the redeemer and pray to be filled with the sustainer? Very generic, and reminds me of the early Catholic church melding together pagan symbolism and practices with Christianity so as not to offend. Or was there a different agenda? I am sure that there are those with reasons for wanting this change that are entirely different than the reasons you have described, but they are not going to be discussing those agendas openly in this kind of setting. Names matter. Scripture matters. Otherwise everything is relative and we don't need to stand for anything unless if suits us.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i haven't read the inclusive bible so i don't know how any changes would effect context. i was mainly referring to changing speech instead of scripture, but would like to see the scripture changes for myself. anyways, thought some women might be interested in this topic and the options available. i do agree that objective truth is an issue. who decides what is truth? on what grounds are these assertions made? is truth relative to individual subjectivity or absolute? would like to read a christian apologist tackle this issue in light of the claims of philosophy.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Philosophy is a broad topic, what is "it" what does Philosophy have to do with the topic? Can you be specific ?

I know what philosophy is I don't know what you are talking about though with regards to the topic

when I mentioned the claims of philosophy I was referring to Jen's post about "scripture matters. truth matters". I was just saying that I was like to read a book from a christian apologist that covers the issue of the truth of christianity in light of the claims of philosophy that say that truth or knowledge is relative to the individual and shaped by community and culture or only learned from experience. How do we know the bible is true beyond it's claims? (sounds like a good thread)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

when I mentioned the claims of philosophy I was referring to Jen's post about "scripture matters. truth matters". I was just saying that I was like to read a book from a christian apologist that covers the issue of the truth of christianity in light of the claims of philosophy that say that truth or knowledge is relative to the individual and shaped by community and culture or only learned from experience. How do we know the bible is true beyond it's claims? (sounds like a good thread)

How can Philosophy say Truth is relative? That sounds unlike Philosophy which is about discovering truths.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How can Philosophy say Truth is relative? That sounds unlike Philosophy which is about discovering truths.

you must not be that familiar with philosophy. there were many secular and atheist philosophers. some pantheists and some christian. like i said before, most dealt with how we know things to be true so they were as skeptical of religion as scientists. in fact i believe that philosophy progressed as science progressed. the first philosophers were scientists, but with the enlightenment and the reformation, religion was undermined and secularism entailed. philosophers were the thinkers riding the tide of science and secularism. you need to checkout post modernism as to the relativity of truth. the modern age started with science and we are now in the post modern age with regards to philosophy. that is why we have the emergent movement in christianity. a response to post modernism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism