Scoffers on AFF

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Okay preterists, this commentary may help you understand also......


Since the fathers fell asleep.—What fathers are meant? Four answers have been given to this question: (1) The ancestors of the human race; (2) the patriarchs and prophets; (3) the first generation of Christians; (4) each generation of men in relation to those following. Probably nothing more definite than our remote ancestors is intended. The expression “fell asleep” is used of St. Stephen’s death in Acts 7:60 (comp. Matthew 27:52; 1Corinthians 7:39, where the word is not literally translated; 1Corinthians 15:6; 1Corinthians 15:18, &c). The thoroughly Christian term “cemetery” (=sleeping-place), in the sense of a place of repose for the dead, comes from the same Greek root.

There is a passage quoted by Clement of Rome (circ. A.D. 100) which seems at first sight to contain a reference to this verse: “Far be from us this Scripture where He saith, Wretched are the double-minded, who doubt in heart and say, These things we heard in the times of our fathers also, but behold, we have grown old, and none of them has happened to us” (Epistle to the Corinthians, xxiii.). But the remainder of this “Scripture,” as quoted by Clement, is so utterly unlike the verse before us, that one suspects some other source. And this suspicion is confirmed when we find the same passage quoted in the so-called Second Epistle of Clement (xi.) as “the prophetic word.” (See on 2Peter 1:19 and on 2Peter 2:9). The differences between the two quotations are such that the pseudo-Clement appears to be quoting independently, and not merely borrowing from the true Clement. In neither case does close inspection encourage us to believe that our present verse is the source of the quotation. But the quotation by the true Clement is important as a complete refutation of the objection that “the fathers” means the first Christians, and consequently no such scoffing argument as this would be possible in the lifetime of St. Peter This very argument was not only in existence, but was condemned in a document which Clement before the close of the first century could quote as “Scripture.” Comp. Epistle of Poly carp, chap. vii.: “Whosoever perverts the oracles of the Lord to his own lusts, and says there is neither resurrection nor judgment, he is the firstborn of Satan.”

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I will go with number 2

You need to stop going to the church of Google.

Sean, find the scripture where the apostles were called the fathers.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Good night scoffer.

Just consider me Elijah and you the Prophet of Baal.

[ApostolicKitty]

I hope we are all aware that Jesus is alive by now.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

I hope we are all aware that Jesus is alive by now.

I'm just trying to figure out why they would scoff at Him coming, if they believed He was sleeping?

[Bowas]

I do hereby dub thee Sir "Job" Benincasa, for thy patience doth deserve much honour and praise.

[houston]

Can it become a requirement that men take a minimum of 2 years college before they become a preacher. Please. Thanks.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by houston

Can it become a requirement that men take a minimum of 2 years college before they become a preacher. Please. Thanks.

Why? Don't you know a college education doesn't make anyone any less stupid?

[houston]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Why? Don't you know a college education doesn't make anyone any less stupid?

So at least we know they tried to gain some critical thinking skills.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by houston

So at least we know they tried to gain some critical thinking skills.

So, an "A" for effort?

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by houston

Can it become a requirement that men take a minimum of 2 years college before they become a preacher. Please. Thanks.

If this was a requirement then almost none of the apostles would have been apostles. Most of the apostolic fathers and early church pioneers that brought us this wonderful truth in America were not college-educated. They were just anointed and called of God.

That's why you are not a preacher